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(not a lawyer) People don't always get trials by jury either (petty traffic cases being perhaps the most common example), and SpaceX does have the opportunity

by hansvm 3y ago

(not a lawyer) People don't always get trials by jury either (petty traffic cases being perhaps the most common example), and SpaceX does have the opportunity to testify and present evidence to a judge. As far as evil actions by evil corporations go, they're about to get a slap on the wrist for the 0.1% of employees directly affected by the allegations. Is that major enough to warrant a trial by jury in the first place? It looks to me like the point is to ensure that if these allegations are false then there's a reasonable chance to defend against them (not a trial by jury, but nobody's being accused of murder or thrown in jail either), and that if they're true then reasonable remedies are applied this decade, while they still matter. I can see the argument for not just wanting some bureaucrat to be judge, jury, and executioner, _but_ that's also not what's happening here, is it?

pierat 3y ago
> People don't always get trials by jury either (petty traffic cases being perhaps the most common example) And this is also a gross miscarriage of justice, and basically is uncontrolled rampant taxation. And somehow, its done as a contortion that the BMV "allows" you to drive, so you're bound by their ALJs, who are actual judges but with laughable standards. And the BMV can revoke driving rights for any/no reason. Its cause the system would drown if citations actually required a real court and jury and such. So the state just jedi-hand-waves and says no. Hopefully, SCOTUS decision will also remove this BMV speeding ticket bullshit in kangaroo court.
- hansvm 3y ago
  > And this is also a gross miscarriage of justice, and basically is uncontrolled rampant taxation. I agree wholeheartedly. The world you appear to want (similar enough I think to the one I want) isn't the one we live in though, so it'd be weird to grant SpaceX special privileges. This won't be the start of a grassroots movement to fix that injustice; it'll be one exemption to let SpaceX fuck over their employees, customers, and shareholders a bit more easily.

by hansvm 3y ago

pierat 3y ago

> People don't always get trials by jury either (petty traffic cases being perhaps the most common example) And this is also a gross miscarriage of justice, and basically is uncontrolled rampant taxation. And somehow, its done as a contortion that the BMV "allows" you to drive, so you're bound by their ALJs, who are actual judges but with laughable standards. And the BMV can revoke driving rights for any/no reason. Its cause the system would drown if citations actually required a real court and jury and such. So the state just jedi-hand-waves and says no. Hopefully, SCOTUS decision will also remove this BMV speeding ticket bullshit in kangaroo court.

hansvm 3y ago
> And this is also a gross miscarriage of justice, and basically is uncontrolled rampant taxation. I agree wholeheartedly. The world you appear to want (similar enough I think to the one I want) isn't the one we live in though, so it'd be weird to grant SpaceX special privileges. This won't be the start of a grassroots movement to fix that injustice; it'll be one exemption to let SpaceX fuck over their employees, customers, and shareholders a bit more easily.