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And yet, they overdeliver compared to everyone else. Tesla continues to trounce every other car manufacturer because despite the fact that us fanboys (and bitt

And yet, they overdeliver compared to everyone else. Tesla continues to trounce every other car manufacturer because despite the fact that us fanboys (and bitterboys) are regularly disappointed at underdelivering on the hype, they still produce the most compelling EV for the price when compared to everyone else. "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> they overdeliver compared to everyone else Tesla delivers. That’s above par for the current course. The problem is Musk’s antics create opportunity for competitors. If he could have the discipline he does with SpaceX, Tesla’s long-term prospects would be stronger.
- borkyborkbork 3y ago
  Yea... their only real competitor is a single Chinese company (BYD).
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > their only real competitor is a single Chinese company (BYD) This is short sighted. Their threat profile from new entrants (whether de novo or legacy) is massive. Most people I know considering EVs are not prioritising Teslas. They haven’t ruled them out. But it’s an even comparison between the Tesla on the lot and whatever they need to put a deposit down on for delivery in a few months or even years.
blastro 3y ago
Shoot for the moon, if you miss, you'll enter low earth orbit and burn up in the atmosphere.
stetrain 3y ago
> And yet, they overdeliver compared to everyone else. Which means they could publicly promise to do better than everyone else and still meet those promises. So promising things that are unrealistic (ie Level 5 FSD 5 years ago) is an unforced error, an own-goal that could be avoided but they have chosen not to avoid this over and over.
- borkyborkbork 3y ago
  One way to get more done than others, is to set the goal out far enough that if you miss it you will do more than others. Tesla and Space X have accomplished more than any other company in the last 70 years within their respective industries.
  - stetrain 3y ago
    Goals and targets don't have to also be claims made to your customers. > Tesla and Space X have accomplished more than any other company in the last 70 years within their respective industries. That's absolutely not in contradiction to my point.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    The disadvantage is that you lose all credibility. If Musk says something factually true tomorrow, my first instinct is to not believe him. That's kind of bad. I believe Musk is also tarnishing the Tesla brand by his antics. I noticed that the association to Musk is kinda turning some left-leaning liberals away from Tesla.
itsoktocry 3y ago
>they still produce the most compelling EV for the price when compared to everyone else. Yes, and? If that was their claim, there'd be nothing to talk about. Instead, we have all kinds of wild claims, from rocket cars to full-self-driving to amphibious trucks to battery swaps. None of which exist.
- xedeon 3y ago
  > Yes, and? If that was their claim, there'd be nothing to talk about. That's not even close to reality and not intellectually honest. It's a fact that anything with "Tesla" on the headline gets clicks. A Tesla gets t-boned by another vehicle and the next day will get headlines like: "Telsa involved in a serious accident" While make/model of other accidents is never mentioned in other accidents even when there's a fatality.
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    >That's not even close to reality and not intellectually honest. You're just making things up. We are talking about very specific claims in this thread. >A Tesla gets t-boned by another vehicle and the next day will get headlines like: "Telsa involved in a serious accident" While make/model of other accidents is never mentioned in other accidents even when there's a fatality. Show me this article.
    - belltaco 3y ago
      > Show me this article. Here's one on our very own Hacker News https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38806707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38806707 Also incidents blaming autopilot get hundreds of upvotes and comments blaming Tesla, and when it turns out months after police investigation of that incident that Autopilot wasn't involved, that article never gets upvotes. When it's bad news about a different car brand, we just get a headline like this talking about an "electric vehicle". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38741228 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38741228 Same with recalls, Tesla's software update recalls are given disproportionate attention, and don't mention it's a software recall in the headline.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> they overdeliver compared to everyone else Tesla delivers. That’s above par for the current course. The problem is Musk’s antics create opportunity for competitors. If he could have the discipline he does with SpaceX, Tesla’s long-term prospects would be stronger.

borkyborkbork 3y ago
Yea... their only real competitor is a single Chinese company (BYD).
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > their only real competitor is a single Chinese company (BYD) This is short sighted. Their threat profile from new entrants (whether de novo or legacy) is massive. Most people I know considering EVs are not prioritising Teslas. They haven’t ruled them out. But it’s an even comparison between the Tesla on the lot and whatever they need to put a deposit down on for delivery in a few months or even years.

blastro 3y ago

Shoot for the moon, if you miss, you'll enter low earth orbit and burn up in the atmosphere.

stetrain 3y ago

> And yet, they overdeliver compared to everyone else. Which means they could publicly promise to do better than everyone else and still meet those promises. So promising things that are unrealistic (ie Level 5 FSD 5 years ago) is an unforced error, an own-goal that could be avoided but they have chosen not to avoid this over and over.

borkyborkbork 3y ago
One way to get more done than others, is to set the goal out far enough that if you miss it you will do more than others. Tesla and Space X have accomplished more than any other company in the last 70 years within their respective industries.
- stetrain 3y ago
  Goals and targets don't have to also be claims made to your customers. > Tesla and Space X have accomplished more than any other company in the last 70 years within their respective industries. That's absolutely not in contradiction to my point.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  The disadvantage is that you lose all credibility. If Musk says something factually true tomorrow, my first instinct is to not believe him. That's kind of bad. I believe Musk is also tarnishing the Tesla brand by his antics. I noticed that the association to Musk is kinda turning some left-leaning liberals away from Tesla.

itsoktocry 3y ago

>they still produce the most compelling EV for the price when compared to everyone else. Yes, and? If that was their claim, there'd be nothing to talk about. Instead, we have all kinds of wild claims, from rocket cars to full-self-driving to amphibious trucks to battery swaps. None of which exist.

xedeon 3y ago
> Yes, and? If that was their claim, there'd be nothing to talk about. That's not even close to reality and not intellectually honest. It's a fact that anything with "Tesla" on the headline gets clicks. A Tesla gets t-boned by another vehicle and the next day will get headlines like: "Telsa involved in a serious accident" While make/model of other accidents is never mentioned in other accidents even when there's a fatality.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >That's not even close to reality and not intellectually honest. You're just making things up. We are talking about very specific claims in this thread. >A Tesla gets t-boned by another vehicle and the next day will get headlines like: "Telsa involved in a serious accident" While make/model of other accidents is never mentioned in other accidents even when there's a fatality. Show me this article.
  - belltaco 3y ago
    > Show me this article. Here's one on our very own Hacker News https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38806707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38806707 Also incidents blaming autopilot get hundreds of upvotes and comments blaming Tesla, and when it turns out months after police investigation of that incident that Autopilot wasn't involved, that article never gets upvotes. When it's bad news about a different car brand, we just get a headline like this talking about an "electric vehicle". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38741228 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38741228 Same with recalls, Tesla's software update recalls are given disproportionate attention, and don't mention it's a software recall in the headline.