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Executive departments not answerable to the President are unconstitutional, full stop. We do not allow Congress to delegate its authority and/or strip authorit

Executive departments not answerable to the President are unconstitutional, full stop. We do not allow Congress to delegate its authority and/or strip authority from the President and move it into a fourth branch of government.

tedivm 3y ago
The Supreme Court, which is who decides what is unconstitutional, has spent hundreds of years disagreeing with you. Full Stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_agencies_of_the_United_States_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_agencies_of_the_Un... I always find it weird when people make statements like yours, full of confidence that what they are saying is the way everything is and should be, when they are literally completely and utterly wrong. What you have is an opinion of how you think the government should be run, based on your interpretation of the constitution. The reality is that the Supreme Court thinks your interpretation is wrong, and since they're the deciding factor that means your interpretation is wrong.
- slavboj 3y ago
  They can be "independent", provided the President is able to fire them. That is the mechanism for accountability. NLRB directors only being fireable for cause, rather than because the people's elected representative chooses to can them as a matter of state policy, is unconstitutional. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884958645/supreme-court-rules-that-the-structure-of-key-independent-agency-is-unconstituti https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884958645/supreme-court-rules...
  - averysmallbird 3y ago
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averysmallbird 3y ago
You may have that political position, but you're wrong on the merits. The non-delegation doctrine exists, but independent agencies survive because its administrators are Presidentially appointed and Congressionally confirmed, and other factors. Other commenters have rightfully also pointed out that you probably have more chance to engage in the democratic process with an independent agency, which also tend to have greater representation from the political party not in control of the Presidency. It would be correct to say that there are new attacks on the administrative courts systems and extent of deference to administrative rulemaking. But you're wrong about independent agencies.

tedivm 3y ago

The Supreme Court, which is who decides what is unconstitutional, has spent hundreds of years disagreeing with you. Full Stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_agencies_of_the_United_States_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_agencies_of_the_Un... I always find it weird when people make statements like yours, full of confidence that what they are saying is the way everything is and should be, when they are literally completely and utterly wrong. What you have is an opinion of how you think the government should be run, based on your interpretation of the constitution. The reality is that the Supreme Court thinks your interpretation is wrong, and since they're the deciding factor that means your interpretation is wrong.

slavboj 3y ago
They can be "independent", provided the President is able to fire them. That is the mechanism for accountability. NLRB directors only being fireable for cause, rather than because the people's elected representative chooses to can them as a matter of state policy, is unconstitutional. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884958645/supreme-court-rules-that-the-structure-of-key-independent-agency-is-unconstituti https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884958645/supreme-court-rules...
- averysmallbird 3y ago
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averysmallbird 3y ago

You may have that political position, but you're wrong on the merits. The non-delegation doctrine exists, but independent agencies survive because its administrators are Presidentially appointed and Congressionally confirmed, and other factors. Other commenters have rightfully also pointed out that you probably have more chance to engage in the democratic process with an independent agency, which also tend to have greater representation from the political party not in control of the Presidency. It would be correct to say that there are new attacks on the administrative courts systems and extent of deference to administrative rulemaking. But you're wrong about independent agencies.