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For better or for worse, this has caused a lot of software vendors to drop RHEL/CentOS support. Many have started to offer Ubuntu support in it's place. Most o
by bluedino 3y ago
For better or for worse, this has caused a lot of software vendors to drop RHEL/CentOS support. Many have started to offer Ubuntu support in it's place.
Most of them didn't even try to support stream. I'm not sure what the process behind that was.
CentOS was free, which is why we used it. Sure, our SAP boxes run RHEL but the other stuff doesn't. We started moving a lot of stuff to Ubuntu as well.
Now, Ubuntu is by no means perfect, snaps are annoying, etc. But Red Hat really angers me with their decisions during the last few years.
One example is removing OpenLDAP:
The openldap-servers package was removed in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8. The openldap-clients package is still shipped though.
If you use openldap-servers in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 (RHEL7), you need to consider to change your LDAP server from OpenLDAP to Red Hat Directory Server (RHDS) in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8 (RHEL8).
RHDS is provided as an add-on subscription in RHEL8, so you need buy the subscriptions in addition to RHEL subscription.
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3816971 https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3816971
Additionally, Red Hat support is so bad these days. It almost reminds me of Microsoft Technet forums of the past. Random 'techs' offering copy-paste solutions and the same bad information.
- ramesh31 3y ago>But Red Hat really angers me with their decisions during the last few years. Probably because Red Hat is no longer making those decisions
- op00to 3y ago> this has caused a lot of software vendors to drop RHEL/CentOS support Can you list a few? It's good to keep up to date on how this is changing. Thanks!
- bluedino 3y agoAnsys for one https://www.ansys.com/content/dam/it-solutions/platform-support/ansys-platform-support-strategy-and-plans-january-2023.pdf https://www.ansys.com/content/dam/it-solutions/platform-supp... Veeam doesn't support CentOS stream or 9, there's been a bunch of things here and there. I notice many are moving to Ubuntu. I had to go through all of our vendors last year, and the nice thing about CentOS was almost everyone supported it. Now there's no 'gold standard'.
- tuna74 3y agoIt says they support RHEL: "Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 7.8, 7.9, 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, and 8.6 (64-bit)"
- piperswe 3y agoIt supports old RHEL, but not 9.
- fgonzag 3y agoSo not stream (OP never stated RHEL, he stated many packages not supporting stream) AND it doesn't support RHEL 9 which came out almost 2 years ago.
- bananskalhalk 3y agoIf you kept your RHEL 8.x server updated, it would have been on 8.7 for over a year.
- op00to 3y agoThanks! When you say Veeam doesn’t support RHEL 9, does that mean it can’t backup RHEL 9 clients due to a lack of agent, or something else?
- syntheticnature 3y agoPart of it was that CentOS Stream reversed the CentOS stability level vs. Fedora; a lot of the vendors targeting CentOS/RHEL were looking for something fairly fixed. CentOS made sure they could also support folks who didn't want to pay for RHEL.
- b112 3y agoI am always baffled by people using ubuntu because "free". I get the desire if you want the paid stream. EG, an alternative to Redhat or SuSE as a paid stream. But if you're going to use Ubuntu, why put up with the snaps, the commercialism, the app store, when you can just use debian? Every time I hear a reason why, it makes little sense to me. Even though 95% of Ubuntu is Debian, and Ubuntu wouldn't exist without Debian.... people use it. Ah well.
- dylan604 3y agoIf I'm not running a desktop, why would I consider running Ubuntu at all? I feel the same about people offering a kneejerk suggestion of Ubuntu as when I'm told to use Docker without actually knowing anything about my needs. Just because I'm wanting to use Linux does not mean I need Ubuntu. Just because I'm deploying code doesn't mean Docker is the solution. But 99% of the time I talk to people, it's all Docker this Docker that.
- michaelt 3y agoThere is a certain practicality in running the same thing on the server as on your developers' laptops. Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar, and using Debian gets rid of things like snap, which I'm glad to be rid of - but it adds an extra level of "well it works on my machine" which I'm not glad for. If it's going to be hard to get that special different version of Java to work on the server, it should be hard to get it to work on the desktop too :) Of course the rise of containers has made a lot of this stuff less relevant.
- dylan604 3y agoIf the headless server has a UI process running that is absolutely wasted resources. Having the same environment for the dev's laptop and the server seems like such a waste of resources. The two things are not the same, so don't try to fit the square peg in the round hole. Whatever these differences are, they should be able to be determined and accounted for in the deployment. To me, we've gotten a bit lazy and a bit too focused on the wrong things. I feel like this happened when we started running javascript on the server. That was such a shock to the system and all sorts of things had to be done since it just was not the normal way of doing things. Someone decided it'd just be easier to clone the dev's system and deploy that as a server. Like what the actual... I also totally feel the same way about running a Windows Server. Like why on gawds good earth would you ever think that was a good idea?
- angry_moose 3y ago> Additionally, Red Hat support is so bad these days. It almost reminds me of Microsoft Technet forums of the past. Random 'techs' offering copy-paste solutions and the same bad information. Yeah, that's been my experience. We had a bad driver package from them completely hose one of our prod systems. It took 3 days and multiple calls from our CTO to get anyone to seriously look at the issue despite being on the top level support level and it being a Severity 1 issue. The whole "Responses within X hours" thing is a joke when all they give you is "Have you tried rebooting?" or "We're still looking into it" (technically those are response!).
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoWell that explains a lot. Historically, the basic idea as I understood it was that you could have the software for free (CentOS) and they didn't really mind because they knew they were selling support. If the support is worthless, then they have to try and squeeze money out of the software, which explains their behavior.
- hinkley 3y agoSqueezing money out of effectively unsupported software is not sustainable. Sounds like someone is trying to get their investment back before dumping the whole thing.
- wpm 3y agoDumping? This is IBM we're talking about. They'll ratchet up the price to fewer and fewer customers, trying to keep themselves in that pocket where they're too useful and expensive to move away from, but still able to hold the irons to their customers.
- hinkley 3y agoNothing you said managed to disagree with what I said. They bought it, now they’re sucking the marrow out.
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- wkat4242 3y agoYep unity too, they only support up to centos 7 and Ubuntu. I don't really like using snaps for everything so this is a bit annoying. But at the moment I'm mainly devving for VR so i need to be on Windows anyway.
- palemoonale 3y agoWhy not SAP on SLES? Its a defacto standard on both sides of the pond.
- bluedino 3y agoBecause corporate is in bed with IBM? Not sure.