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This is really the time to make a decision, do you really need support..ehm sorry insurance? Then RedHat/Suse/Oracle if not, choose a trusted community distribu

This is really the time to make a decision, do you really need support..ehm sorry insurance? Then RedHat/Suse/Oracle if not, choose a trusted community distribution like Debian.

jtriangle 3y ago
We moved everything to debian when Centos moved to a stretch release for 8, no regrets whatsoever, zero difference in stability, solved some niche hardware support issues. Writing was on the wall back then tbh. Redhat can enjoy it's legacy bubble, I'll continue to enjoy not paying for free software.
- BSDobelix 3y ago
  >I'll continue to enjoy not paying for free software. Well we pay for it (the project and different other software projects..and even a completely different os) but in donations instead to pay stakeholders and "managers". ;)
dylan604 3y ago
I am curious about what the expense of support gets you that a typical IT person could not find on some forum somewhere online.
- nolist_policy 3y ago
  Getting someone to actually fixing bugs in the distro, without begging on some forum or whatever.
- BSDobelix 3y ago
  That's why i wrote insurance, not insurance for the installation but your job position AKA someone else has to fix the problem ;) Same as: No one gets fired for buying IBM (if your really old...like me)
  - dylan604 3y ago
    I thought you just meant insurance as in it's a huge profit center, so it's pushed knowingly that the vast majority of people will never use it. Notice the word use instead of need.
    - BSDobelix 3y ago
      You need insurance in some businesses, or sht will fall exclusively on you...even if it's not your fault (cover your as), insurance/financial sectors etc...
sigio 3y ago
Same here... we were already running lots of Debian and Ubuntu, and have made the decision to use Debian by default for everything new, and migrate to Debian everything that still has to be around in a couple of months. The rest can be killed of when it hits the EOL for CentOS of Ubuntu 20.x
0xbadcafebee 3y ago
Nobody thinks they need insurance until their house catches fire
- BSDobelix 3y ago
  Bad comparison, no one will pay for your downtime/leak, but you can blame redhat/suse/oracle for it. Aka you don't loose your job, but the house is still burned down.
ebiester 3y ago
My understanding is that the real problem is twofold: First, some proprietary software only supports a subset of distributions. Debian is rarely on that list. RHEL, for some time, has been a safe default. Second, IT organizations only want to support one distribution when at all possible.. As such, RHEL and CentOS made a lot of sense. RHEL and Debian means twice the work. That said, it's going to have to change. $349 for every 2 VMWare images (as I understand it) plus $2499 for every 2 processor sockets adds up.

This is really the time to make a decision, do you really need support..ehm sorry insurance? Then RedHat/Suse/Oracle if not, choose a trusted community distribution like Debian.

jtriangle 3y ago

We moved everything to debian when Centos moved to a stretch release for 8, no regrets whatsoever, zero difference in stability, solved some niche hardware support issues. Writing was on the wall back then tbh. Redhat can enjoy it's legacy bubble, I'll continue to enjoy not paying for free software.

BSDobelix 3y ago
>I'll continue to enjoy not paying for free software. Well we pay for it (the project and different other software projects..and even a completely different os) but in donations instead to pay stakeholders and "managers". ;)

dylan604 3y ago

I am curious about what the expense of support gets you that a typical IT person could not find on some forum somewhere online.

nolist_policy 3y ago
Getting someone to actually fixing bugs in the distro, without begging on some forum or whatever.
BSDobelix 3y ago
That's why i wrote insurance, not insurance for the installation but your job position AKA someone else has to fix the problem ;) Same as: No one gets fired for buying IBM (if your really old...like me)
- dylan604 3y ago
  I thought you just meant insurance as in it's a huge profit center, so it's pushed knowingly that the vast majority of people will never use it. Notice the word use instead of need.
  - BSDobelix 3y ago
    You need insurance in some businesses, or sht will fall exclusively on you...even if it's not your fault (cover your as), insurance/financial sectors etc...

sigio 3y ago

Same here... we were already running lots of Debian and Ubuntu, and have made the decision to use Debian by default for everything new, and migrate to Debian everything that still has to be around in a couple of months. The rest can be killed of when it hits the EOL for CentOS of Ubuntu 20.x

0xbadcafebee 3y ago

Nobody thinks they need insurance until their house catches fire

BSDobelix 3y ago
Bad comparison, no one will pay for your downtime/leak, but you can blame redhat/suse/oracle for it. Aka you don't loose your job, but the house is still burned down.

ebiester 3y ago

My understanding is that the real problem is twofold: First, some proprietary software only supports a subset of distributions. Debian is rarely on that list. RHEL, for some time, has been a safe default. Second, IT organizations only want to support one distribution when at all possible.. As such, RHEL and CentOS made a lot of sense. RHEL and Debian means twice the work. That said, it's going to have to change. $349 for every 2 VMWare images (as I understand it) plus $2499 for every 2 processor sockets adds up.