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Give me German/Dutch "this is awful and it should be fixed" any day over "It'll be grand" (we have a similar attitude here just across the Irish sea) It can be

Give me German/Dutch "this is awful and it should be fixed" any day over "It'll be grand" (we have a similar attitude here just across the Irish sea) It can be a bit annoying listen to them moan about small things constantly but my impression of the Netherlands is shit just works and things get fixed. They seem to have a very low tolerance for bs and excuses, which is refreshing

a_gnostic 3y ago
In my culture we say "Today is a good day to die… But tomorrow will be better!"
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- switch007 3y ago
  I expected someone to mention Brandenburg and VW in reply, to be honest. Seems like a bit of a straw-man though. If you tell me the country you think is perfect, I'm sure I could find some kind of scandal.
RajT88 3y ago
I like to joke that Americans' responses to catastrophe is' "Thanks Obama!". But it does get at how some folks here deal with adversity.
- 7thaccount 3y ago
  Are you my parents? The things Obama still get blamed at is insane. I'm not a huge fan of Obama, Trump, or Biden. There are certainly things to blame them on, but every little thing like gas prices is just ridiculous. The office of the President wields a lot of power, but they're not in charge of everything.
  - RajT88 3y ago
    Exactly what I was getting at. Does not matter who is in office, they get blamed for everything bad that happens. ETA: In lieu of acceptance and determination.
  - stjohnswarts 3y ago
    I hear it more than anything about Biden. I personally think that it's an easy way to be racist without being pinned down on it because of the out that he was also a President.
    - redeeman 3y ago
      and I personally think that such an analysis is the real racism
      - RajT88 3y ago
        "X is the real racism" is a talking point racists like to trot out. It is a pretty standard part of their playbook actually, to move the debate away from actual, obviously racist behavior.
        DiggyJohnson 3y ago
        What? “They” aren’t a coordinated team with a playbook. Just because you find yourself disagreeing with many people over a contentious topic doesn’t mean the other side is part of some hate-fueled organized conspiracy.
        RajT88 3y ago
        It doesn't have to be a conspiracy for folks of a certain stripe to think the same debate tactic is clever. (And for the record - it is not) ETA: if you find yourself wanting to argue further on this, I would recommend searching Stormfront for this phrase and then decide if you want to die on this hill.
nicbou 3y ago
In my experience this is not how Germany works at all. "This is how we've always done it" is a lot closer to reality. Germans have an incredibly low standard for efficiency. At best they're just very thorough and methodical, but change aversion permeates every later of society.

a_gnostic 3y ago

In my culture we say "Today is a good day to die… But tomorrow will be better!"

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switch007 3y ago
I expected someone to mention Brandenburg and VW in reply, to be honest. Seems like a bit of a straw-man though. If you tell me the country you think is perfect, I'm sure I could find some kind of scandal.

RajT88 3y ago

I like to joke that Americans' responses to catastrophe is' "Thanks Obama!". But it does get at how some folks here deal with adversity.

7thaccount 3y ago
Are you my parents? The things Obama still get blamed at is insane. I'm not a huge fan of Obama, Trump, or Biden. There are certainly things to blame them on, but every little thing like gas prices is just ridiculous. The office of the President wields a lot of power, but they're not in charge of everything.
- RajT88 3y ago
  Exactly what I was getting at. Does not matter who is in office, they get blamed for everything bad that happens. ETA: In lieu of acceptance and determination.
- stjohnswarts 3y ago
  I hear it more than anything about Biden. I personally think that it's an easy way to be racist without being pinned down on it because of the out that he was also a President.
  - redeeman 3y ago
    and I personally think that such an analysis is the real racism
    - RajT88 3y ago
      "X is the real racism" is a talking point racists like to trot out. It is a pretty standard part of their playbook actually, to move the debate away from actual, obviously racist behavior.
      - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
        What? “They” aren’t a coordinated team with a playbook. Just because you find yourself disagreeing with many people over a contentious topic doesn’t mean the other side is part of some hate-fueled organized conspiracy.
        RajT88 3y ago
        It doesn't have to be a conspiracy for folks of a certain stripe to think the same debate tactic is clever. (And for the record - it is not) ETA: if you find yourself wanting to argue further on this, I would recommend searching Stormfront for this phrase and then decide if you want to die on this hill.

nicbou 3y ago

In my experience this is not how Germany works at all. "This is how we've always done it" is a lot closer to reality. Germans have an incredibly low standard for efficiency. At best they're just very thorough and methodical, but change aversion permeates every later of society.