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I genuinely don't understand how analyses like this one are taken at face value but then media turns around and argues that IQ is primarily a result of environm
by sfblah 3y ago
I genuinely don't understand how analyses like this one are taken at face value but then media turns around and argues that IQ is primarily a result of environmental, not genetic factors. If it's environmental, then shouldn't going to university substantially increase these students' IQs? In general, going to university means you're exiting whatever culture/family system you grew up in. And, the whole point is to educate you.
Point being, why doesn't research like this immediately get canceled for being anti-whomever?
- rthkljlkrj 3y ago[dead]
- rsynnott 3y ago> I genuinely don't understand how analyses like this one are taken at face value but then media turns around and argues that IQ is primarily a result of environmental, not genetic factors. The data backing this is largely things like twin studies, done on people who have different _childhood_ environments. With extremely limited exceptions, people are adults when they go to university.
- sfblah 3y agoI'm well aware that twin studies strongly suggest IQ is largely genetic. What I don't understand is how folks can't see that the mainstream view that IQ is environmental is at odds with the content of the OP study.
- logicchains 3y ago>If it's environmental, then shouldn't going to university substantially increase these students' IQs? Or university could just be very bad at increasing intelligence. The goal of university isn't to increase intelligence, it's to increase knowledge, that's why university exams test students' knowledge. Outside of a few subjects university generally doesn't explicitly teach critical thinking or logic/problem solving, the skills most relevant to IQ tests.
- sfblah 3y agoSure, though I'd think it would implicitly teach those things. It's difficult to write a coherent essay or solve a physics problem without critical thinking and logic.
- kouru225 3y agoI don’t think it’s a mainstream pov that IQ is environmental.
- sfblah 3y agoI don't think you can be right about that, because if you believe IQ is largely genetic, that demolishes a whole bunch of things like "institutional racism" that I think is mainstream (or at least CNN tells me it is).
- kouru225 3y agoThe fact that racism still exists is good evidence that people still believe IQ is genetic and the current vocal push against racism is happening because racism is still an issue. A lot of people are vocally anti-racist, but it's all just talk. I think that there are a lot of people who just haven't thought through any of this cause they don't care, and they believe that IQ is genetic while also disagreeing with racism. This is why the right continually succeeds at pushing the IQ narrative and the crime statistics narrative to justify racial targeting.
- sfblah 3y agoReplying to say that I literally don't know if I'm being downvoted for negating left-wing or right-wing orthodoxies. The world is so confusing nowadays.