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Not religious myself, but I'd be minded to respect the reasonable wishes of those who are. There's not really much point in putting human samples on the moon (

Not religious myself, but I'd be minded to respect the reasonable wishes of those who are. There's not really much point in putting human samples on the moon (unless I've missed something), so that act itself is quasi-religious.

prepend 3y ago
I agree on respecting reasonable wishes. But the challenge is over what is reasonable. This request doesn’t seem reasonable to me. And seems like a waste of governance to spend resources evaluating these requests to stop putting human samples on the moon. Of course, if a group is offended by the activity I like that they earnestly post their letter noting concern and requesting consideration. It will just be bad, I think, if a single letter from a single group that has just seen a thing would stop some valuable activity. Value as judged by the resources put into funding such a mission, somebody thinks it is worthwhile.
- wiz21c 3y ago
  Let me drop my feces over your lawn. That's just biodegradable stuff, it will disappear. Completely reasonable. And this is not a "group of people", it's a nation. Just as USA is a nation. And while you're at it, just burn a print of the Quran. After all, that's just some paper and it will bring valuable heat. And the "group of Muslims" will certainly be happy to help. Come on.
  - google234123 3y ago
    No, if we allowed religion to dictate like this we’d be in a horrible place. This is insanity and fortunately the founders of the US saw this and took steps to restrain the power of religion and give us the freedom of expression. These group of Muslims would also do a lot more if they had unlimited say I’m imagining you blamed the Charlie hebdo staff for being murdered? Would you support Scientologists getting South Park banned? It was very insulting to their religion and core beliefs, right?
- Symbiote 3y ago
  The waste of resources is surely the laugh of remains to the moon, rather than the discussion around it.
emtrw 3y ago
Well it's my religious belief that being buried on the moon is the highest honour you could get. What now?
- krapp 3y ago
  It isn't, though. There is such a thing as a test of sincere religious belief, and it requires, for one thing, an established religion. There is no established religion that believes in lunar burial. You can't just make some shit up and say "that's my religion." If you could, then everyone would be a part of the church of never paying taxes.
  - emtrw 3y ago
    Everyone is. No religion pays taxes in the US and no misters of religion do either.
    - krapp 3y ago
      No religious organization, registered and classified as such, pays taxes. You can read more about the methods of classification here[0]. Note that factors like " a distinct religious history, a formal code of doctrine, regular services, a regular congregation" are considered. You, emtrw, cannot claim that you belong to a religion of one that you just made up right now, apply for tax exempt status and expect it to work because "religion." That isn't going to fly. And just because your church is exempt from taxes, you are not. Here is a Reddit thread explaining this further[1]. And to put this into context relative to the thread, you cannot claim that your religion says burial on the moon is your highest honor and expect it to be taken seriously, when no one is taking the religion older than Christianity seriously, and it's obvious your religion doesn't really exist. The real legal world doesn't operate under video game logic where you just need a cheat code to hack the system. [0]https://www.fidelislawfirm.com/how-and-why-religious-organizations-get-tax-exempt-status/ https://www.fidelislawfirm.com/how-and-why-religious-organiz... [1]https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/184get7/can_i_become_tax_exempt_by_making_a_religion/ https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/184get7/...
readthenotes1 3y ago
You're being unreasonable. A burden of proving harm should be placed on those who want to restrict other people's activities
psychlops 3y ago
Why do you want to respect any wishes of people who believe in imaginary things? That seems odd. I'd suggest your save your respect for those who are rational.
- ars 3y ago
  And presumably you are going to be the arbiter of what is and isn't rational?
- triyambakam 3y ago
  Can you prove that you exist?
- ogab 3y ago
  The moon is imaginary?
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    >The moon is imaginary? Only the cheese part; or all the religious interpretations about it (no exceptions).
- Avshalom 3y ago
  Which bit of turning the moon into a cemetery strikes you as rational?
- Suzuran 3y ago
  I said basically this about bitcoin and someone tried to send a swat team to my old apartment.
- itishappy 3y ago
  > Why do you want to respect any wishes of people who believe in imaginary things? I respect human beings regardless of their beliefs. Having "right thought" be the basis upon which you dole out respect doesn't sound particularly rational to me. I'd actually argue that refusing to respect people due to differing beliefs is the root cause of much of the suffering we so often attribute to "a belief in the imaginary."

prepend 3y ago

I agree on respecting reasonable wishes. But the challenge is over what is reasonable. This request doesn’t seem reasonable to me. And seems like a waste of governance to spend resources evaluating these requests to stop putting human samples on the moon. Of course, if a group is offended by the activity I like that they earnestly post their letter noting concern and requesting consideration. It will just be bad, I think, if a single letter from a single group that has just seen a thing would stop some valuable activity. Value as judged by the resources put into funding such a mission, somebody thinks it is worthwhile.

wiz21c 3y ago
Let me drop my feces over your lawn. That's just biodegradable stuff, it will disappear. Completely reasonable. And this is not a "group of people", it's a nation. Just as USA is a nation. And while you're at it, just burn a print of the Quran. After all, that's just some paper and it will bring valuable heat. And the "group of Muslims" will certainly be happy to help. Come on.
- google234123 3y ago
  No, if we allowed religion to dictate like this we’d be in a horrible place. This is insanity and fortunately the founders of the US saw this and took steps to restrain the power of religion and give us the freedom of expression. These group of Muslims would also do a lot more if they had unlimited say I’m imagining you blamed the Charlie hebdo staff for being murdered? Would you support Scientologists getting South Park banned? It was very insulting to their religion and core beliefs, right?
Symbiote 3y ago
The waste of resources is surely the laugh of remains to the moon, rather than the discussion around it.

emtrw 3y ago

Well it's my religious belief that being buried on the moon is the highest honour you could get. What now?

krapp 3y ago
It isn't, though. There is such a thing as a test of sincere religious belief, and it requires, for one thing, an established religion. There is no established religion that believes in lunar burial. You can't just make some shit up and say "that's my religion." If you could, then everyone would be a part of the church of never paying taxes.
- emtrw 3y ago
  Everyone is. No religion pays taxes in the US and no misters of religion do either.
  - krapp 3y ago
    No religious organization, registered and classified as such, pays taxes. You can read more about the methods of classification here[0]. Note that factors like " a distinct religious history, a formal code of doctrine, regular services, a regular congregation" are considered. You, emtrw, cannot claim that you belong to a religion of one that you just made up right now, apply for tax exempt status and expect it to work because "religion." That isn't going to fly. And just because your church is exempt from taxes, you are not. Here is a Reddit thread explaining this further[1]. And to put this into context relative to the thread, you cannot claim that your religion says burial on the moon is your highest honor and expect it to be taken seriously, when no one is taking the religion older than Christianity seriously, and it's obvious your religion doesn't really exist. The real legal world doesn't operate under video game logic where you just need a cheat code to hack the system. [0]https://www.fidelislawfirm.com/how-and-why-religious-organizations-get-tax-exempt-status/ https://www.fidelislawfirm.com/how-and-why-religious-organiz... [1]https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/184get7/can_i_become_tax_exempt_by_making_a_religion/ https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/184get7/...

readthenotes1 3y ago

You're being unreasonable. A burden of proving harm should be placed on those who want to restrict other people's activities

psychlops 3y ago

Why do you want to respect any wishes of people who believe in imaginary things? That seems odd. I'd suggest your save your respect for those who are rational.

ars 3y ago
And presumably you are going to be the arbiter of what is and isn't rational?
triyambakam 3y ago
Can you prove that you exist?
ogab 3y ago
The moon is imaginary?
- pvaldes 3y ago
  >The moon is imaginary? Only the cheese part; or all the religious interpretations about it (no exceptions).
Avshalom 3y ago
Which bit of turning the moon into a cemetery strikes you as rational?
Suzuran 3y ago
I said basically this about bitcoin and someone tried to send a swat team to my old apartment.
itishappy 3y ago
> Why do you want to respect any wishes of people who believe in imaginary things? I respect human beings regardless of their beliefs. Having "right thought" be the basis upon which you dole out respect doesn't sound particularly rational to me. I'd actually argue that refusing to respect people due to differing beliefs is the root cause of much of the suffering we so often attribute to "a belief in the imaginary."