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We do not disclose data and we do not sell data.

by the_mitsuhiko 3y ago

ProllyInfamous 3y ago
How about the trained-datasets (of our data) — are you insisting that those won't also be sold/traided/trained-upon?
- the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
  Correct. No such data is disclosed in any way other than to operate the service. We might use that data to rank issues by severity within sentry.io, but this data is not disclosed to anyone.
  - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
    Hope this remains true. Thanks for concise answers.
    - 93po 3y ago
      True until they're hacked, or they're bought by some firm, or the management changes, or someone sneezes and makes a commit by mistake, or they just straight up change their mind.
Annuity3036 3y ago
and how about not training on my data?
- the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
  Feedback received about the opt-out.
xoa 3y ago
>We do not disclose data and we do not sell data. After you pass in a tragic accident involving an escaped cyborg moose later this year, your fellows decide to leave for a new startup combining building castles in marshes with a singing school, and the company is bought by a private equity firm, will they too not disclose data and not sell data? I mean, joking aside but frankly we're now decades and decades into the digital revolution anyone around awhile has seen this film before. A lot of times. Founders and employees can be absolutely 100% pure in their intentions and genuinely stick to that, no cynicism. But they're humans, you're human, like the rest of us. The flow of time is inexorable and data stored doesn't spontaneously evaporate over time, while meanwhile the average age of companies, even established S&P500 ones not "startups", well [0,1]: >"A recent study by McKinsey found that the average life-span of companies listed in Standard & Poor’s 500 was 61 years in 1958. Today, it is less than 18 years." In 2003 we were all a lot younger, in the 90s lots of data really was just thrown out even objectively valuable stuff like final code/assets for media productions such as hit videogames, and some failure to predict or naivete made sense. Here in 2023 though the default assumption is that any data you gather you will keep forever, and that you as an entity will not be deciding what happens with it forever. That's something you need to address head-on, for real internally as well. "We do not disclose data and we do not sell data" simply doesn't cut it at all, anymore then saying your values are "Don't Be Evil" would. Come on. ---- 0: https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/disruption/articles/why-you-will-probably-live-longer-than-most-big-companies/ https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/disruption/articles/w... 1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1259275/average-company-lifespan/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1259275/average-company-...

We do not disclose data and we do not sell data.

ProllyInfamous 3y ago

How about the trained-datasets (of our data) — are you insisting that those won't also be sold/traided/trained-upon?

the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
Correct. No such data is disclosed in any way other than to operate the service. We might use that data to rank issues by severity within sentry.io, but this data is not disclosed to anyone.
- ProllyInfamous 3y ago
  Hope this remains true. Thanks for concise answers.
  - 93po 3y ago
    True until they're hacked, or they're bought by some firm, or the management changes, or someone sneezes and makes a commit by mistake, or they just straight up change their mind.

Annuity3036 3y ago

and how about not training on my data?

the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
Feedback received about the opt-out.

xoa 3y ago

>We do not disclose data and we do not sell data. After you pass in a tragic accident involving an escaped cyborg moose later this year, your fellows decide to leave for a new startup combining building castles in marshes with a singing school, and the company is bought by a private equity firm, will they too not disclose data and not sell data? I mean, joking aside but frankly we're now decades and decades into the digital revolution anyone around awhile has seen this film before. A lot of times. Founders and employees can be absolutely 100% pure in their intentions and genuinely stick to that, no cynicism. But they're humans, you're human, like the rest of us. The flow of time is inexorable and data stored doesn't spontaneously evaporate over time, while meanwhile the average age of companies, even established S&P500 ones not "startups", well [0,1]: >"A recent study by McKinsey found that the average life-span of companies listed in Standard & Poor’s 500 was 61 years in 1958. Today, it is less than 18 years." In 2003 we were all a lot younger, in the 90s lots of data really was just thrown out even objectively valuable stuff like final code/assets for media productions such as hit videogames, and some failure to predict or naivete made sense. Here in 2023 though the default assumption is that any data you gather you will keep forever, and that you as an entity will not be deciding what happens with it forever. That's something you need to address head-on, for real internally as well. "We do not disclose data and we do not sell data" simply doesn't cut it at all, anymore then saying your values are "Don't Be Evil" would. Come on. ---- 0: https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/disruption/articles/why-you-will-probably-live-longer-than-most-big-companies/ https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/disruption/articles/w... 1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1259275/average-company-lifespan/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1259275/average-company-...