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And even if it's not, a cop will claim it is. It's long been settled that recording police in Germany is totally fine, but they keep claiming that once you hav

by _cenw 3y ago

And even if it's not, a cop will claim it is. It's long been settled that recording police in Germany is totally fine, but they keep claiming that once you have an audio track, it's recording "the spoken private word" which has special protection. Doesn't matter they're there in an official capacity, and also doesn't matter if you don't record audio. They'll just assume you are. Even the press get targeted. https://www.mappingmediafreedom.org/2020/10/02/reportit-police-violence-against-press/ https://www.mappingmediafreedom.org/2020/10/02/reportit-poli...

ghaff 3y ago
Even in the US, my understanding with respect to audio specifically is that there are one party consent locales and two party consent locales. So audio can actually be more restrictive than video. ADDED: And it looks like there’s no out of the box way with the default iPhone camera app to record video without audio.
- rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
  US Federal is 1-party and some states are 2-party. This is why you get the "this phone call may be recorded for quality assurance" notifications—because you have now been informed as the second party. But the above is for private conversations. If the interaction is in a public area, then there isn't an expectation of privacy, so the number of parties informed is moot, but this has been the subject of legal disputes notably when it comes to police being recorded. If anything it would seem like government representatives would have less expectations of privacy when conducting official business, but it's been argued.
sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
They keep claiming it because they don’t want to be recorded. It’s still legal to do it. Police are allowed to lie to you after all.
- _cenw 3y ago
  Well, obviously. But it is very rare that you will get your theoretical rights when your legal opponent is a cop. One of the cases linked in the article literally had a camera running when a cop assaulted them[1], and yet they got charged for assult and resisting arrest first, dragged through court for a year while the prosecutors office refused to prosecute the police offer due to "lack of public interest, slim chance of guilty verdict and low degree of guilt". They look out for each other. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQcmgkWXa9A#t=1m40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQcmgkWXa9A#t=1m40s

by _cenw 3y ago

ghaff 3y ago

Even in the US, my understanding with respect to audio specifically is that there are one party consent locales and two party consent locales. So audio can actually be more restrictive than video. ADDED: And it looks like there’s no out of the box way with the default iPhone camera app to record video without audio.

rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
US Federal is 1-party and some states are 2-party. This is why you get the "this phone call may be recorded for quality assurance" notifications—because you have now been informed as the second party. But the above is for private conversations. If the interaction is in a public area, then there isn't an expectation of privacy, so the number of parties informed is moot, but this has been the subject of legal disputes notably when it comes to police being recorded. If anything it would seem like government representatives would have less expectations of privacy when conducting official business, but it's been argued.

sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago

They keep claiming it because they don’t want to be recorded. It’s still legal to do it. Police are allowed to lie to you after all.

_cenw 3y ago
Well, obviously. But it is very rare that you will get your theoretical rights when your legal opponent is a cop. One of the cases linked in the article literally had a camera running when a cop assaulted them[1], and yet they got charged for assult and resisting arrest first, dragged through court for a year while the prosecutors office refused to prosecute the police offer due to "lack of public interest, slim chance of guilty verdict and low degree of guilt". They look out for each other. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQcmgkWXa9A#t=1m40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQcmgkWXa9A#t=1m40s