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Google turns off Cookies on Chrome, news faces fight for survival

2 points by pg_1234 3y ago

Kelteseth 3y ago
The first thing I see when visiting this site is a full screen cookie pop-up, with the dark pattern of not showing a decline button.
FerretFred 3y ago
They're obviously not aware of ad-blockers then ;) > If you try to run a buy [using cookies] on publishers, you have to scrape their targeting so thinly because the addressability is now so small. You have to target everything to get anything to scale at all A bit like TV advertising then? I honestly don't know nor care if TV advertising works but we just turn the sound off when the ad-slot starts and just ignore it. We've noticed that ads are getting more garish in a desperate attempt to sell the latest must-have (apparently) ephemeral junk but we just ignore those too.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  i do not have a tv at home. i use newpipe+sponsorblock for youtube. xtra for twitch. ublock origin for firefox. i find advertising as eye cancer. its so jarring and fast and obnoxious. why do we have to build huge infra then beg for ad money as someone put it "someone has to pay for it" when we can go the old route and self host everything and use something like federation where costs get distributed? facebook is a monolith and they need billions to satisfy shareholders. NOT MY PROBLEM. i will continue to use facebook (if at all) without giving them a chance to generate ad revenue because they should otherwise block me. that is now internet work. like how netflix works. why can't you have link-based banner ads on newspaper websites that don't seem to turn the website into a cancer inducing vomit? people would be encouraged to click on ads to people would gladly do that. on the contrary, advertisers want to "TRACK" users in the guise of letting webistes earn some pennies
stephenr 3y ago
Oh the huge manatee. Whatever will we do without "news" outlets publishing clickbait articles and rehashing events for the twelfth time to drive eyeballs? Wikipedia says newspapers first appeared in the 17th century. So they managed as n industry, to be profitable enough to last around 400 years without the ability to target adverts to individual readers... but in the space of ~30 years they've somehow become inexplicably reliant on such a thing? Really? It's honestly ridiculous to me that this article starts out with the assumption that website operators are owed the ability to target adverts at customers based on their browsing history. I've come across people before who seem to somehow think that the whole "targeted ad" concept is good, and beneficial.. every time I do it feels like talking to a cannibal about their favourite condiments.

2 points by pg_1234 3y ago

The first thing I see when visiting this site is a full screen cookie pop-up, with the dark pattern of not showing a decline button.

FerretFred 3y ago

They're obviously not aware of ad-blockers then ;) > If you try to run a buy [using cookies] on publishers, you have to scrape their targeting so thinly because the addressability is now so small. You have to target everything to get anything to scale at all A bit like TV advertising then? I honestly don't know nor care if TV advertising works but we just turn the sound off when the ad-slot starts and just ignore it. We've noticed that ads are getting more garish in a desperate attempt to sell the latest must-have (apparently) ephemeral junk but we just ignore those too.

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
i do not have a tv at home. i use newpipe+sponsorblock for youtube. xtra for twitch. ublock origin for firefox. i find advertising as eye cancer. its so jarring and fast and obnoxious. why do we have to build huge infra then beg for ad money as someone put it "someone has to pay for it" when we can go the old route and self host everything and use something like federation where costs get distributed? facebook is a monolith and they need billions to satisfy shareholders. NOT MY PROBLEM. i will continue to use facebook (if at all) without giving them a chance to generate ad revenue because they should otherwise block me. that is now internet work. like how netflix works. why can't you have link-based banner ads on newspaper websites that don't seem to turn the website into a cancer inducing vomit? people would be encouraged to click on ads to people would gladly do that. on the contrary, advertisers want to "TRACK" users in the guise of letting webistes earn some pennies

stephenr 3y ago

Oh the huge manatee. Whatever will we do without "news" outlets publishing clickbait articles and rehashing events for the twelfth time to drive eyeballs? Wikipedia says newspapers first appeared in the 17th century. So they managed as n industry, to be profitable enough to last around 400 years without the ability to target adverts to individual readers... but in the space of ~30 years they've somehow become inexplicably reliant on such a thing? Really? It's honestly ridiculous to me that this article starts out with the assumption that website operators are owed the ability to target adverts at customers based on their browsing history. I've come across people before who seem to somehow think that the whole "targeted ad" concept is good, and beneficial.. every time I do it feels like talking to a cannibal about their favourite condiments.