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I don't see the problem. The relationship of a TVC with the company is very clear cut. The reason the compensation rules are so strict is because there's a li

I don't see the problem. The relationship of a TVC with the company is very clear cut. The reason the compensation rules are so strict is because there's a line of people waiting to sue Google if they blur the lines. Or is your point that Google shouldn't hire any TVCs whatsoever? All work should be done by FTEs, without exception?

lmm 3y ago
The problem is selling out basic human decency. If Google with all their billions and PhDs can't figure out a way to hire these "TVCs" without treating them abominably then yes, they shouldn't hire them at all. (I suspect, however, that they could find a way to reconcile both those things if they actually tried - perhaps a way that would involve spending slightly more money)
- khazhoux 3y ago
  Aside from the not giving them free t-shirts or food, what other inhumane treatment is Google committing here?
  - lmm 3y ago
    It's not about the things themselves (which are indeed trivial), it's about the singling out of one person on a team for worse treatment. That's psychologically corrosive even when the material difference is small.
    - khazhoux 3y ago
      I still don't see a problem. If someone is not comfortable with being a second-tier worker, they shouldn't sign up for the TVC gig, because the rules of the job and the distinctions with FTE are explicitly stated. Know your own boundaries, and all that. Anyone who thinks they have the chops to get through the interview process and wants to be FTE is free to give it a shot. Then they'll have all the perks (as well as have to go through annual Google perf reviews, OKRs, and all that baggage too).
      - lmm 3y ago
        > If someone is not comfortable with being a second-tier worker, they shouldn't sign up for the TVC gig, because the rules of the job and the distinctions with FTE are explicitly stated. Know your own boundaries, and all that. Safety isn't and shouldn't be just on the worker. Harmful working practices are rightly illegal for the employer; you can't be employed to cut asbestos without protection even if you don't think it will affect you or are ok with the consequences.
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lmm 3y ago

The problem is selling out basic human decency. If Google with all their billions and PhDs can't figure out a way to hire these "TVCs" without treating them abominably then yes, they shouldn't hire them at all. (I suspect, however, that they could find a way to reconcile both those things if they actually tried - perhaps a way that would involve spending slightly more money)

khazhoux 3y ago
Aside from the not giving them free t-shirts or food, what other inhumane treatment is Google committing here?
- lmm 3y ago
  It's not about the things themselves (which are indeed trivial), it's about the singling out of one person on a team for worse treatment. That's psychologically corrosive even when the material difference is small.
  - khazhoux 3y ago
    I still don't see a problem. If someone is not comfortable with being a second-tier worker, they shouldn't sign up for the TVC gig, because the rules of the job and the distinctions with FTE are explicitly stated. Know your own boundaries, and all that. Anyone who thinks they have the chops to get through the interview process and wants to be FTE is free to give it a shot. Then they'll have all the perks (as well as have to go through annual Google perf reviews, OKRs, and all that baggage too).
    - lmm 3y ago
      > If someone is not comfortable with being a second-tier worker, they shouldn't sign up for the TVC gig, because the rules of the job and the distinctions with FTE are explicitly stated. Know your own boundaries, and all that. Safety isn't and shouldn't be just on the worker. Harmful working practices are rightly illegal for the employer; you can't be employed to cut asbestos without protection even if you don't think it will affect you or are ok with the consequences.
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