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Saying "no" to everything won't be found to be bargaining in good faith.

Alupis 3y ago
That's not true. Just because you want something does not mean you are entitled to something... there is no legal protections for not getting what you want - union or not. This is why strikes happen. Demands are not met. The unfortunate reality is this super tiny union is not going to scare Google with the threat of a strike. And... all this hinges on if these are even Google employees, which it really seems to be a stretch to claim they are. NLRB is not an unbiased party - they exists almost exclusively to be pro-union. The union probably would make better headway by going after their actual employer... Cognizant.
- stonogo 3y ago
  You're just parroting the Google lawyers' line here. Your argument contains no evidence to contradict the assertion that Google and Cognizant are joint employers here (as Google and Accenture were found to be last time we went around this carousel) and since the judicial authority over this matter has ruled that they are, the ball is very much in the "no they're not" court to prove it.
  - Alupis 3y ago
    The Accenture case is still being litigated. It's even in the article.. none of this is settled, and likely will not be for years if ever. > judicial authority over this matter has ruled that they are NLRB has no authority to classify contractors as employees. That's why this is still being litigated. > You're just parroting the Google lawyers' line here. Stating reality and facts does not make one a "parrot" as you claim.
    - stonogo 3y ago
      The fact that it's being appealed doesn't negate the existence of a prior ruling, and your act of parroting does not make you a parrot. Finally, yes, the NLRB has exactly that authority, including determining the standard to be used to make the distinction, no matter how many times you baselessly and falsely claim otherwise. Your confidence in facts and reality is commendable, but your grasp of those terms may not be as strong as you assume.
sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
In rough terms, negotiating in good faith means negotiating in a way that is likely to yield an agreement. Bad faith means just going through the motions for the sake of appearance, or even making moves to spoil the process. IANAL
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  It has nothing to do with the likelihood of agreement. It is about honestly representing your interests and taking steps that actually advance them.

That's not true. Just because you want something does not mean you are entitled to something... there is no legal protections for not getting what you want - union or not. This is why strikes happen. Demands are not met. The unfortunate reality is this super tiny union is not going to scare Google with the threat of a strike. And... all this hinges on if these are even Google employees, which it really seems to be a stretch to claim they are. NLRB is not an unbiased party - they exists almost exclusively to be pro-union. The union probably would make better headway by going after their actual employer... Cognizant.

stonogo 3y ago
You're just parroting the Google lawyers' line here. Your argument contains no evidence to contradict the assertion that Google and Cognizant are joint employers here (as Google and Accenture were found to be last time we went around this carousel) and since the judicial authority over this matter has ruled that they are, the ball is very much in the "no they're not" court to prove it.
- Alupis 3y ago
  The Accenture case is still being litigated. It's even in the article.. none of this is settled, and likely will not be for years if ever. > judicial authority over this matter has ruled that they are NLRB has no authority to classify contractors as employees. That's why this is still being litigated. > You're just parroting the Google lawyers' line here. Stating reality and facts does not make one a "parrot" as you claim.
  - stonogo 3y ago
    The fact that it's being appealed doesn't negate the existence of a prior ruling, and your act of parroting does not make you a parrot. Finally, yes, the NLRB has exactly that authority, including determining the standard to be used to make the distinction, no matter how many times you baselessly and falsely claim otherwise. Your confidence in facts and reality is commendable, but your grasp of those terms may not be as strong as you assume.

sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago

In rough terms, negotiating in good faith means negotiating in a way that is likely to yield an agreement. Bad faith means just going through the motions for the sake of appearance, or even making moves to spoil the process. IANAL

s1artibartfast 3y ago
It has nothing to do with the likelihood of agreement. It is about honestly representing your interests and taking steps that actually advance them.