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I believe all of you are being deliberately obtuse. >"Studies including only patients receiving HCQ, receiving HCQ from August 2020 onwards, and patients alrea

I believe all of you are being deliberately obtuse. >"Studies including only patients receiving HCQ, receiving HCQ from August 2020 onwards, and patients already treated with HCQ for autoimmune conditions were excluded, as well as studies from countries for which mortality data were lacking." I was not talking about a particular study when I mentioned people with autoimmune disorders. I was talking about people I _knew in real life_ who had autoimmune disorders before COVID started but suddenly couldn't get HCQ because the people running the Covid response decided the best course of action was to take HCQ off the market. How were people supposed to be using it for covid if the people who had valid prescriptions from licensed rheumatologists and were taking it so they could WALK or use their hands couldn't get any? >Did you look? Quick Google: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... >"remdesivir treatment was associated with significant 17% lower risk of inpatient mortality among patients hospitalized with COVID-19" I know there's a probably a paper that says that. that's why I distrust all the idiots pretending to be doctors and scientists these days. At the time she was given it and died I found out later that the World Health Organization was recommending _against_ its use. Here's the links: [0]: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-remdesivir-who-idUSL1N2I602Z/ https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-remdesivi... [1]: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/521319-who-study-finds-no-benefit-from-remdesivir-on-covid-deaths-hospital-stays/ https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/521319-who-study-finds... [2]: https://www.science.org/content/article/very-very-bad-look-remdesivir-first-fda-approved-covid-19-drug https://www.science.org/content/article/very-very-bad-look-r...

ceejayoz 3y ago
> How were people supposed to be using it for covid if the people who had valid prescriptions from licensed rheumatologists and were taking it so they could WALK or use their hands couldn't get any? Because a bunch of idiots getting prescriptions online at a couple hundred bucks for a consult from grifters like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Frontline_Doctors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Frontline_Doctors caused a shortage. Sudden increase in demand, no increase in supply. Very simple answer. It was never “taken off the market”. See also: toilet paper.
- cheaprentalyeti 3y ago
  That's not what caused the shortage. It started in March or April of 2020.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    That lines up perfectly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine > Several countries initially used chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for treatment of persons hospitalized with COVID-19 (as of March 2020), though the drug was not formally approved through clinical trials. From April to June 2020, there was an emergency use authorization for their use in the United States, and was used off label for potential treatment of the disease. https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download is the FDA issuing an EUA in late March. April 8: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7207200/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7207200/ > As we await further evidence on the role, if any, of these drugs in addressing the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, many clinicians have already begun using them to treat COVID-19. > A surge in prescriptions based on speculation about their role in the prevention or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection threatens the availability of these drugs for patients with chronic inflammatory disorders for whom they are known to be effective. At least 2 manufacturers have announced plans to increase hydroxychloroquine production in anticipation of this need. I think we’re done here.
    - cheaprentalyeti 3y ago
      That was the time period where the government was limiting supply. It was not caused by the Frontline Doctors, who started much later than that.
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        That would be odd, given the EUA. Feel free to provide a cite that the US government limited supply of HCQ in March/April 2020. I’ve cited plenty.

ceejayoz 3y ago

> How were people supposed to be using it for covid if the people who had valid prescriptions from licensed rheumatologists and were taking it so they could WALK or use their hands couldn't get any? Because a bunch of idiots getting prescriptions online at a couple hundred bucks for a consult from grifters like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Frontline_Doctors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Frontline_Doctors caused a shortage. Sudden increase in demand, no increase in supply. Very simple answer. It was never “taken off the market”. See also: toilet paper.

cheaprentalyeti 3y ago
That's not what caused the shortage. It started in March or April of 2020.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  That lines up perfectly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine > Several countries initially used chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for treatment of persons hospitalized with COVID-19 (as of March 2020), though the drug was not formally approved through clinical trials. From April to June 2020, there was an emergency use authorization for their use in the United States, and was used off label for potential treatment of the disease. https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download is the FDA issuing an EUA in late March. April 8: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7207200/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7207200/ > As we await further evidence on the role, if any, of these drugs in addressing the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, many clinicians have already begun using them to treat COVID-19. > A surge in prescriptions based on speculation about their role in the prevention or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection threatens the availability of these drugs for patients with chronic inflammatory disorders for whom they are known to be effective. At least 2 manufacturers have announced plans to increase hydroxychloroquine production in anticipation of this need. I think we’re done here.
  - cheaprentalyeti 3y ago
    That was the time period where the government was limiting supply. It was not caused by the Frontline Doctors, who started much later than that.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      That would be odd, given the EUA. Feel free to provide a cite that the US government limited supply of HCQ in March/April 2020. I’ve cited plenty.