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It's not clear to me why the open letter authors are protected under the NRLB at all. They seemed to be criticizing the boss, which is not illegal, but not real

It's not clear to me why the open letter authors are protected under the NRLB at all. They seemed to be criticizing the boss, which is not illegal, but not really a labor action either?

kevingadd 3y ago
How is collectively criticizing your boss and requesting a better work environment not a labor action?
- flerchin 3y ago
  Calling your boss an asshole is not a labor action. Asking for a better work environment might be, but that wasn't the title of the letter.
  - kevingadd 3y ago
    I must be misunderstanding your post because the only way I can interpret this is "their tone wasn't nice enough so they deserved to get fired". Do you have a link to a full copy of the open letter or a screenshot where it called him an asshole? The version of it here doesn't look like it deserves to be tone-policed in this way: https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23170228/spacex-elon-musk-internal-open-letter-behavior https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23170228/spacex-elon-musk... To cite a small portion of it: > SpaceX’s current systems and culture do not live up to its stated values, as many employees continue to experience unequal enforcement of our oft-repeated “No Asshole” and “Zero Tolerance” policies. This must change. As a starting point, we are putting forth the following categories of action items, the specifics of which we would like to discuss in person with the executive team within a month: Since they apparently had a "no asshole" policy it would seem that if anything, calling your boss an asshole is officially endorsed.
    - flerchin 3y ago
      Not deserving to be fired is not the same as being federally protected from being fired. NRLB says that being fired for what they did is illegal, and that's hard for me to square with how I understand labor law.
      - belltaco 3y ago
        I said a similar thing yesterday and got buried in downvotes for having an opinion.
legitster 3y ago
There was a list of demands of the executives. But yeah, there was no call for a labor action. If anything, they were demanding the company take more drastic steps to start removing employees for bad behavior.
standardUser 3y ago
NLRB doesn't just deal with unions, a fundamental part of its purpose is to ensure that conditions are allowed to exist for the creation of unions. Here is their own page on "Jurisdictional Standards"... https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/jurisdictional-standards https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/ju...

It's not clear to me why the open letter authors are protected under the NRLB at all. They seemed to be criticizing the boss, which is not illegal, but not really a labor action either?

kevingadd 3y ago

How is collectively criticizing your boss and requesting a better work environment not a labor action?

flerchin 3y ago
Calling your boss an asshole is not a labor action. Asking for a better work environment might be, but that wasn't the title of the letter.
- kevingadd 3y ago
  I must be misunderstanding your post because the only way I can interpret this is "their tone wasn't nice enough so they deserved to get fired". Do you have a link to a full copy of the open letter or a screenshot where it called him an asshole? The version of it here doesn't look like it deserves to be tone-policed in this way: https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23170228/spacex-elon-musk-internal-open-letter-behavior https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23170228/spacex-elon-musk... To cite a small portion of it: > SpaceX’s current systems and culture do not live up to its stated values, as many employees continue to experience unequal enforcement of our oft-repeated “No Asshole” and “Zero Tolerance” policies. This must change. As a starting point, we are putting forth the following categories of action items, the specifics of which we would like to discuss in person with the executive team within a month: Since they apparently had a "no asshole" policy it would seem that if anything, calling your boss an asshole is officially endorsed.
  - flerchin 3y ago
    Not deserving to be fired is not the same as being federally protected from being fired. NRLB says that being fired for what they did is illegal, and that's hard for me to square with how I understand labor law.
    - belltaco 3y ago
      I said a similar thing yesterday and got buried in downvotes for having an opinion.

legitster 3y ago

There was a list of demands of the executives. But yeah, there was no call for a labor action. If anything, they were demanding the company take more drastic steps to start removing employees for bad behavior.

standardUser 3y ago

NLRB doesn't just deal with unions, a fundamental part of its purpose is to ensure that conditions are allowed to exist for the creation of unions. Here is their own page on "Jurisdictional Standards"... https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/jurisdictional-standards https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/ju...