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They need to move out of SV. In my state that people mostly don't know about, there was no disruption to the software dev market here because we didn't have stu
by mrguyorama 3y ago
They need to move out of SV. In my state that people mostly don't know about, there was no disruption to the software dev market here because we didn't have stupid purposeful overgrowth during the pandemic to unwind now.
In fact, California is probably being hit so hard simply because it's so much cheaper for a company that needs to be in California to hire someone out of state for remote employment.
>We are talking about "We want AI engineers with PHDs and plan to pay $170K for that."
Meanwhile all my friends are B students and have completely boring resumes and have been finding $150k positions for what are essentially average software development jobs.
If that person who is so desperate to eat can't live on $170k a year, why is that? I make $75k a year in a place with $2000 a month rent and a new car and a bad takeout habit and still am increasing my savings.
I'm not trying to be heartless here, I think tech workers like "AI engineers" should command significantly more than $200k a year, explicitly because software developers can "produce" infinitely more than any other job category than maybe "creatives". FAANG pays you a pittance for what you give back to them, but right now FAANG is trying to play dumb employment market games to ratchet down their costs. They've done this multiple times over the past decades including literal collusion to keep down dev wages. Maybe Elon at Twitter showed them you can easily find 5000 software developers who are terrible at knowing their own worth, hyper sycophantic, or H1B slaves, and they will take way less money.
Maybe instead of crying for two decades that they make so much money because we don't have a social safety net and because they don't have unions so they can "negotiate better on their own"
How's that negotiation doing?
- ofcourseyoudo 3y agoAgree completely. I have multiple friends in the SoCal and OC area that have gotten "boring" software engineering jobs in the last 12 months at decent salaries but not astronomical (one as low as $95K, most in the 100-130 range, a few around 150). These include jobs such as: creating middleware for trucking parts suppliers to efficiently distribute between repair shops in Arizona; writing billing inhouse software for a large law firm; writing very tiny AI recommendation services for a lumber company to generate new sales leads. This is all anecdotal of course, but it's 8 people, and all 8 have non-sexy jobs. Nothing at a party that you would go "oh coooool". But they are gainfully employed.