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I'd love it if we could have a single story that's even somewhat tangentially related to V not devolve into rehashing the past. Let it go.

debo_ 3y ago
V is for Vendetta, I've been told.
nulld3v 3y ago
I think if VLang was indeed stable or if it delivered on some of its promises it would be justified to stop nitpicking flaws. But the language unfortunately remains unstable to this day. There are memory leaks with very basic things (e.g. readline, reading from maps) that are still being fixed as recently as half a year ago: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009, https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  V is stable for a pre 1.0 lang and delivers everything promised on the home page and in the docs. A fixed memory leak in os.input() in a 0.4 language, really?
mtlynch 3y ago
The creator of V repeatedly appears on HN with incredible claims about a new thing they're going to supposedly release soon. I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering.
- lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
  > I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering. Yes, it is. You literally used the words "in the past." If you don't like his new browser engine, fine, but repeating this two minutes hate every time one of his projects gets posted on HN is self defeating and toxic.
  - mtlynch 3y ago
    I would agree that people are giving Medvednikov an unreasonably hard time if he learned from his mistakes, but everyone kept bringing up his past anyway. But it just seems like Medvednikov keeps repeating the same patterns over and over. He's making dubious claims about software without sharing how he arrived at those claims, and he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source. Why should people who know about this pattern stay silent and allow others to be misled by the same patterns?
    - lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
      > He's making dubious claims That's your opinion. I don't agree with that characterization of him or his projects at all. It's a convenient way to give yourself some cover for attacking a creator you don't like.
    - amedvednikov 3y ago
      > he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source never happened
      - dario_od 3y ago
        Isn't it what's happening now with vox?
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        V has been open source since its release on June 22, 2019. Vox is not released yet, and the website literally says "upcoming".
unclad5968 3y ago
Well considering he's still making wild claims like rendering 20x faster than chrome, it doesn't seem like it's in the past unfortunately.
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  You can download the browser, press D (debug) to see how fast it's rendered, and compare to Chrome (dev tools). You'll get similar numbers.

debo_ 3y ago

V is for Vendetta, I've been told.

nulld3v 3y ago

I think if VLang was indeed stable or if it delivered on some of its promises it would be justified to stop nitpicking flaws. But the language unfortunately remains unstable to this day. There are memory leaks with very basic things (e.g. readline, reading from maps) that are still being fixed as recently as half a year ago: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009, https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454

amedvednikov 3y ago
V is stable for a pre 1.0 lang and delivers everything promised on the home page and in the docs. A fixed memory leak in os.input() in a 0.4 language, really?

mtlynch 3y ago

The creator of V repeatedly appears on HN with incredible claims about a new thing they're going to supposedly release soon. I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering.

lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
> I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering. Yes, it is. You literally used the words "in the past." If you don't like his new browser engine, fine, but repeating this two minutes hate every time one of his projects gets posted on HN is self defeating and toxic.
- mtlynch 3y ago
  I would agree that people are giving Medvednikov an unreasonably hard time if he learned from his mistakes, but everyone kept bringing up his past anyway. But it just seems like Medvednikov keeps repeating the same patterns over and over. He's making dubious claims about software without sharing how he arrived at those claims, and he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source. Why should people who know about this pattern stay silent and allow others to be misled by the same patterns?
  - lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
    > He's making dubious claims That's your opinion. I don't agree with that characterization of him or his projects at all. It's a convenient way to give yourself some cover for attacking a creator you don't like.
  - amedvednikov 3y ago
    > he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source never happened
    - dario_od 3y ago
      Isn't it what's happening now with vox?
      - amedvednikov 3y ago
        V has been open source since its release on June 22, 2019. Vox is not released yet, and the website literally says "upcoming".

unclad5968 3y ago

Well considering he's still making wild claims like rendering 20x faster than chrome, it doesn't seem like it's in the past unfortunately.

amedvednikov 3y ago
You can download the browser, press D (debug) to see how fast it's rendered, and compare to Chrome (dev tools). You'll get similar numbers.