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I read a post without noticing it was written in 2013 and thought it was a great idea. It's sad that after 10 years, we have only managed to make the internet w

I read a post without noticing it was written in 2013 and thought it was a great idea. It's sad that after 10 years, we have only managed to make the internet worse. With the introduction of LLMs, the situation is expected to worsen. Maybe companies like Kagi will help with this problem, but I don't think the situation will improve anytime soon.

kyledrake 3y ago
FWIW, I'm actually pretty optimistic about LLMs overall. I really value their use in learning and bouncing ideas off of. A lot of Neocities developers use ChatGPT to help them learn and write HTML (it's great for generating HTML boilerplate), and I use it almost every day for code snippets. I've actually pondered adding an LLM as an assistant for the Neocities editor, but ChatGPT is a bit expensive, and I haven't found a good OSS alternative yet. The potential for LLMs to generate a lot of problematic crap is certainly there, but I haven't seen this happen yet, don't yet see it as an existential risk to Neocities sites, and if they lead to any new problems, I think we will be able to figure it out.
- Moru 3y ago
  I believe we will loose all creative people first. Game companies are getting rid of their asset creators as we speak. People use AI trained on content from Deviant art and similar sites. Some artist are looking quite bleak on the future and some have given up already. As for Neocities I happily jumped on as soon as I saw your first post on HN. Sadly I'm not good at creating, more of a programmer so is mostly using it for holding my small link collection to comics so I can update the current reading location. Love the idea and miss the open web dearly. And already 10 years ago? If I wasn't fully aware how hold I am, I would feel old. But what is 10 years? Blink of an eye.
- alexmolas 3y ago
  I mean that LLMs are a problem in the sense that now is extremely easy to create websites hyperoptimized for SEO, which makes discovering personal websites via search engine practically imposible

kyledrake 3y ago

FWIW, I'm actually pretty optimistic about LLMs overall. I really value their use in learning and bouncing ideas off of. A lot of Neocities developers use ChatGPT to help them learn and write HTML (it's great for generating HTML boilerplate), and I use it almost every day for code snippets. I've actually pondered adding an LLM as an assistant for the Neocities editor, but ChatGPT is a bit expensive, and I haven't found a good OSS alternative yet. The potential for LLMs to generate a lot of problematic crap is certainly there, but I haven't seen this happen yet, don't yet see it as an existential risk to Neocities sites, and if they lead to any new problems, I think we will be able to figure it out.

Moru 3y ago
I believe we will loose all creative people first. Game companies are getting rid of their asset creators as we speak. People use AI trained on content from Deviant art and similar sites. Some artist are looking quite bleak on the future and some have given up already. As for Neocities I happily jumped on as soon as I saw your first post on HN. Sadly I'm not good at creating, more of a programmer so is mostly using it for holding my small link collection to comics so I can update the current reading location. Love the idea and miss the open web dearly. And already 10 years ago? If I wasn't fully aware how hold I am, I would feel old. But what is 10 years? Blink of an eye.
alexmolas 3y ago
I mean that LLMs are a problem in the sense that now is extremely easy to create websites hyperoptimized for SEO, which makes discovering personal websites via search engine practically imposible