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Looks [1] like it's created by Alexander Medvednikov, who is also the creator of V. I have no dog in this fight, but V and its author have a somewhat storied h

Looks [1] like it's created by Alexander Medvednikov, who is also the creator of V. I have no dog in this fight, but V and its author have a somewhat storied history because the language's documentation made very strong claims around performance, safety, and the state of the language that may or may not have reflected reality. Some previous discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20229632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20229632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20250990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20250990 https://mawfig.github.io/2022/06/18/v-lang-in-2022.html https://mawfig.github.io/2022/06/18/v-lang-in-2022.html https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35 https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23/ https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23/ https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03/ https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-0... Again, I'm not taking a side one way or the other, nor am I endorsing any particular interpretation, but I think it's relevant history. [1]: https://github.com/vlang/vox-browser https://github.com/vlang/vox-browser

lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
I'd love it if we could have a single story that's even somewhat tangentially related to V not devolve into rehashing the past. Let it go.
- debo_ 3y ago
  V is for Vendetta, I've been told.
- nulld3v 3y ago
  I think if VLang was indeed stable or if it delivered on some of its promises it would be justified to stop nitpicking flaws. But the language unfortunately remains unstable to this day. There are memory leaks with very basic things (e.g. readline, reading from maps) that are still being fixed as recently as half a year ago: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009, https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454
  - amedvednikov 3y ago
    V is stable for a pre 1.0 lang and delivers everything promised on the home page and in the docs. A fixed memory leak in os.input() in a 0.4 language, really?
- mtlynch 3y ago
  The creator of V repeatedly appears on HN with incredible claims about a new thing they're going to supposedly release soon. I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering.
  - lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
    > I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering. Yes, it is. You literally used the words "in the past." If you don't like his new browser engine, fine, but repeating this two minutes hate every time one of his projects gets posted on HN is self defeating and toxic.
    - mtlynch 3y ago
      I would agree that people are giving Medvednikov an unreasonably hard time if he learned from his mistakes, but everyone kept bringing up his past anyway. But it just seems like Medvednikov keeps repeating the same patterns over and over. He's making dubious claims about software without sharing how he arrived at those claims, and he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source. Why should people who know about this pattern stay silent and allow others to be misled by the same patterns?
      - lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
        > He's making dubious claims That's your opinion. I don't agree with that characterization of him or his projects at all. It's a convenient way to give yourself some cover for attacking a creator you don't like.
      - amedvednikov 3y ago
        > he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source never happened
- unclad5968 3y ago
  Well considering he's still making wild claims like rendering 20x faster than chrome, it doesn't seem like it's in the past unfortunately.
  - amedvednikov 3y ago
    You can download the browser, press D (debug) to see how fast it's rendered, and compare to Chrome (dev tools). You'll get similar numbers.
amedvednikov 3y ago
4 year old articles from a "V should die" author with claims like using system("curl") for the networking library, type checker bugs that have been fixed a long time ago, etc are not really relevant.
- dimavs 3y ago
  And it’s still using wget.
  - amedvednikov 3y ago
    No it doesn't. Pure V: https://github.com/vlang/v/tree/master/vlib/net https://github.com/vlang/v/tree/master/vlib/net

lylejantzi3rd 3y ago

I'd love it if we could have a single story that's even somewhat tangentially related to V not devolve into rehashing the past. Let it go.

debo_ 3y ago
V is for Vendetta, I've been told.
nulld3v 3y ago
I think if VLang was indeed stable or if it delivered on some of its promises it would be justified to stop nitpicking flaws. But the language unfortunately remains unstable to this day. There are memory leaks with very basic things (e.g. readline, reading from maps) that are still being fixed as recently as half a year ago: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/18009, https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/19454
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  V is stable for a pre 1.0 lang and delivers everything promised on the home page and in the docs. A fixed memory leak in os.input() in a 0.4 language, really?
mtlynch 3y ago
The creator of V repeatedly appears on HN with incredible claims about a new thing they're going to supposedly release soon. I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering.
- lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
  > I don't think it's "rehashing the past" to point out that a person's new incredible claim is suspect, given a history of making incredible claims in the past without actually delivering. Yes, it is. You literally used the words "in the past." If you don't like his new browser engine, fine, but repeating this two minutes hate every time one of his projects gets posted on HN is self defeating and toxic.
  - mtlynch 3y ago
    I would agree that people are giving Medvednikov an unreasonably hard time if he learned from his mistakes, but everyone kept bringing up his past anyway. But it just seems like Medvednikov keeps repeating the same patterns over and over. He's making dubious claims about software without sharing how he arrived at those claims, and he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source. Why should people who know about this pattern stay silent and allow others to be misled by the same patterns?
    - lylejantzi3rd 3y ago
      > He's making dubious claims That's your opinion. I don't agree with that characterization of him or his projects at all. It's a convenient way to give yourself some cover for attacking a creator you don't like.
    - amedvednikov 3y ago
      > he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source never happened
unclad5968 3y ago
Well considering he's still making wild claims like rendering 20x faster than chrome, it doesn't seem like it's in the past unfortunately.
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  You can download the browser, press D (debug) to see how fast it's rendered, and compare to Chrome (dev tools). You'll get similar numbers.

amedvednikov 3y ago

4 year old articles from a "V should die" author with claims like using system("curl") for the networking library, type checker bugs that have been fixed a long time ago, etc are not really relevant.

dimavs 3y ago
And it’s still using wget.
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  No it doesn't. Pure V: https://github.com/vlang/v/tree/master/vlib/net https://github.com/vlang/v/tree/master/vlib/net