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Love the name (though I'm sure many would consider it sexist).

by jimmy2times 14y ago

gilrain 14y ago
(because it is)
- jsprinkles 14y ago
  Can you elaborate on why? It's an honest question, because I genuinely don't understand why. Good to see the 'ole downvote-without-discussion at work, too. I understand sexism to be about discriminating based on gender. Does it also mean "naming software a body part a certain gender happens to have?" If I name my software "penis", or "testicle" (a great name for a tongue-in-cheek test suite) am I going to be accused of being sexist toward men? As for "clit", can I understand potentially offensive to certain people who are sensitive to sexual matters? Sure. Demeaning or discriminatory to women? Please convince me of it. I think the sexism brush is getting really loose, and it's such a strong, legally-damaging word to throw around.
  - gilrain 14y ago
    It's not my job to teach you Sexism 101, so I'll be brief. It reinforces to the minority of women in tech that they will be routinely otherized by their colleagues.
    - jsprinkles 14y ago
      I'll ignore the pointless first statement just as you ignored several of my questions. If you don't want people questioning your opinions, don't share them publicly. How, exactly, does the choice of name minimize women? If a woman wrote 'clit', would you say the same thing? If a woman wrote 'dong', would we call her sexist? I understand the problem, but we're really throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. An effective solution to stamping out sexism in the workplace does not, in my opinion, hinge upon commanding people to ignore the presence of their sexual organs and doing so is, I think, more damaging. I don't want to live in a world where the mere mention of a body part launches an accusation of sexism. Neither do several women in tech that I know. Can we agree that in certain cases, we're being a touch too sensitive when it comes to fixing the problem, and we should really choose more important battles than accusing a dev of sexism due to the name of a one-off, pointless Twitter client that he's not billing as the next Tweetdeck? Fix sexism: Treat everybody equally, regardless of gender identity. Don't fix sexism: Pretend gender identity and, by extension, sex, doesn't exist.
      - pudquick 14y ago
        With a universe of possible ASCII combinations to choose from - just because a particular iteration is witty, it does not automatically exclude it from offending one or more groups of people (whatever the reasoning). If you want widespread adoption of your tool, your best bet is to try to offend as few groups as possible.
        jsprinkles 14y ago
        Agreed, but, that's not really an answer to the question I'm asking. I also don't think OP, the author of 'clit', intends for it to supplant Tweetdeck ... it seems like a one-off that he slapped a name on and threw on Github.
        uptown 14y ago
        "If you want widespread adoption of your tool, your best bet is to try to offend as few groups as possible." I don't agree with this at all. Sometimes things are successful for the very fact that they're divisive. If your priority is to not offend anyone, you run the risk of being forgotten by everyone.
        ricardobeat 14y ago
        It was just an exercise. Maybe I'll name the next one "xfwkl".
      - talentdeficit 14y ago
        you can't fix sexism (or racism, or classism) by pretending they don't exist. this isn't the venue for a debate on the topic, but you can read up on male privilege if you'd like to know more
        Mohnican 14y ago
        Male privilege is a myth.
    - Mohnican 14y ago
      You are seriously delusional if you believe that naming an application after a biological name on the human body is "sexism". You really need to go back to "Sexism 101" if you've messed up this badly.
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- zotz 14y ago
  "Titter" is a word having nothing to do with gender. "None could laugh, though the Ape-man had a chattering titter." The Island of Doctor Moreau, HG Wells
  - lazerwalker 14y ago
    Following the comment thread, it would appear that the original 'sexism' comment was referring to https://github.com/ricardobeat/clit https://github.com/ricardobeat/clit
    - gaius 14y ago
      CLI is the recognized, time-honoured, universal abbreviation for "command line interface". Given that, I don't see a problem with using it as a prefix.
- chernevik 14y ago
  No, it isn't. I'm not a big fan of dictionaries but they must serve when basic English literacy fails, so here: "titter: to laugh in a nervous, affected, or partly suppressed manner : giggle, snicker" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/titter http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/titter
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- jsprinkles 14y ago
  Why do you consider it sexist? Certainly can't assume everybody will share your viewpoint, though I'm willing to listen to yours.
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    - jsprinkles 14y ago
      Edit: The deleted comment here said "would you admit that you liked the name to your mother or investors?" Answer: No, because it's crass and lacks decorum. Now explain how it's sexist toward women.

Love the name (though I'm sure many would consider it sexist).

gilrain 14y ago

(because it is)

jsprinkles 14y ago
Can you elaborate on why? It's an honest question, because I genuinely don't understand why. Good to see the 'ole downvote-without-discussion at work, too. I understand sexism to be about discriminating based on gender. Does it also mean "naming software a body part a certain gender happens to have?" If I name my software "penis", or "testicle" (a great name for a tongue-in-cheek test suite) am I going to be accused of being sexist toward men? As for "clit", can I understand potentially offensive to certain people who are sensitive to sexual matters? Sure. Demeaning or discriminatory to women? Please convince me of it. I think the sexism brush is getting really loose, and it's such a strong, legally-damaging word to throw around.
- gilrain 14y ago
  It's not my job to teach you Sexism 101, so I'll be brief. It reinforces to the minority of women in tech that they will be routinely otherized by their colleagues.
  - jsprinkles 14y ago
    I'll ignore the pointless first statement just as you ignored several of my questions. If you don't want people questioning your opinions, don't share them publicly. How, exactly, does the choice of name minimize women? If a woman wrote 'clit', would you say the same thing? If a woman wrote 'dong', would we call her sexist? I understand the problem, but we're really throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. An effective solution to stamping out sexism in the workplace does not, in my opinion, hinge upon commanding people to ignore the presence of their sexual organs and doing so is, I think, more damaging. I don't want to live in a world where the mere mention of a body part launches an accusation of sexism. Neither do several women in tech that I know. Can we agree that in certain cases, we're being a touch too sensitive when it comes to fixing the problem, and we should really choose more important battles than accusing a dev of sexism due to the name of a one-off, pointless Twitter client that he's not billing as the next Tweetdeck? Fix sexism: Treat everybody equally, regardless of gender identity. Don't fix sexism: Pretend gender identity and, by extension, sex, doesn't exist.
    - pudquick 14y ago
      With a universe of possible ASCII combinations to choose from - just because a particular iteration is witty, it does not automatically exclude it from offending one or more groups of people (whatever the reasoning). If you want widespread adoption of your tool, your best bet is to try to offend as few groups as possible.
      - jsprinkles 14y ago
        Agreed, but, that's not really an answer to the question I'm asking. I also don't think OP, the author of 'clit', intends for it to supplant Tweetdeck ... it seems like a one-off that he slapped a name on and threw on Github.
      - uptown 14y ago
        "If you want widespread adoption of your tool, your best bet is to try to offend as few groups as possible." I don't agree with this at all. Sometimes things are successful for the very fact that they're divisive. If your priority is to not offend anyone, you run the risk of being forgotten by everyone.
      - ricardobeat 14y ago
        It was just an exercise. Maybe I'll name the next one "xfwkl".
    - talentdeficit 14y ago
      you can't fix sexism (or racism, or classism) by pretending they don't exist. this isn't the venue for a debate on the topic, but you can read up on male privilege if you'd like to know more
      - Mohnican 14y ago
        Male privilege is a myth.
  - Mohnican 14y ago
    You are seriously delusional if you believe that naming an application after a biological name on the human body is "sexism". You really need to go back to "Sexism 101" if you've messed up this badly.
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zotz 14y ago
"Titter" is a word having nothing to do with gender. "None could laugh, though the Ape-man had a chattering titter." The Island of Doctor Moreau, HG Wells
- lazerwalker 14y ago
  Following the comment thread, it would appear that the original 'sexism' comment was referring to https://github.com/ricardobeat/clit https://github.com/ricardobeat/clit
  - gaius 14y ago
    CLI is the recognized, time-honoured, universal abbreviation for "command line interface". Given that, I don't see a problem with using it as a prefix.
chernevik 14y ago
No, it isn't. I'm not a big fan of dictionaries but they must serve when basic English literacy fails, so here: "titter: to laugh in a nervous, affected, or partly suppressed manner : giggle, snicker" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/titter http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/titter

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jsprinkles 14y ago
Why do you consider it sexist? Certainly can't assume everybody will share your viewpoint, though I'm willing to listen to yours.
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  - jsprinkles 14y ago
    Edit: The deleted comment here said "would you admit that you liked the name to your mother or investors?" Answer: No, because it's crass and lacks decorum. Now explain how it's sexist toward women.