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Worth mentioning that the same cited report identifies South Korea, Taiwan, Ukraine as #3, #6, #7 global worst offenders. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-conte

Worth mentioning that the same cited report identifies South Korea, Taiwan, Ukraine as #3, #6, #7 global worst offenders. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-Report-2021.pdf#page=21 https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-... For flag state responsibility (Table 16), Taiwan (#2), South Korea (#4), Japan (#6), Spain (#7) are also among top-10 global worst offenders. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-Report-2021.pdf#page=37 https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-...

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- cmcaleer 3y ago
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  - TaiwanNo1 3y ago
    Did you see my username?
- aragonite 3y ago
  For the report's purposes Taiwan is treated as a separate entity from China. Taiwan is actually listed in 2019 as the #2 global worst offender. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-Report-2021.pdf#page=64 https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-...
erentz 3y ago
Don’t skip some and introduce your bias. 1 China 2 Russia 3 South Korea 4 Somalia 5 Yemen 6 Taiwan 7 Ukraine 8 Eritrean 9 Egypt 10 Lybia
- aragonite 3y ago
  I linked directly to the pages in the report containing the very tables you've copy-pasted. It's literally one click away. In case it's not obvious, the entire point is that the actual statistics is not very convenient for the "good-guy v. bad-guy" framing. Why else would I only highlight countries considered in the US as part of the "good guys" camp? While we're on this topic, US's own ranking drastically worsened between 2019 and 2021, from being #66 worst globally (see p.121) to #27 worst (see p. 111): > When considering prevalence, five countries – South Korea, Seychelles, the USA, Senegal and Saint Vincent & the Grenadines – entered the list of worst-performing countries in 2021 for the first time, with China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand and Ecuador remaining in the worst performers. (p.28)
- vkou 3y ago
  How much worse is #1 to #3, and #6, on a per-capita basis?
fnordpiglet 3y ago
It is worth noting the ranking is also weighted, and China consistently weights 25-30-% worse than #2 in each table. (For some reason your deep linking isn’t bringing me to the tables you’re referring to so not sure which specifically you’re referring to). But you’re right - everyone is screwing the planet up in their own messed up ways. I think rather than making bogey men out of the “bad guys,” we should realize this fact. But with that fact realized, China does act with a particularly egregious lack of responsibility and accountability that belies their stature.
- aragonite 3y ago
  > China consistently weights 25-30-% worse than #2 in each table I agree with your larger point, but I'm not sure this is entirely accurate. If you look at table 4 on p. 32 (i.e. printed page number; PDF page number is 21, and the complete data can be found at the end of the PDF, starting on (printed page number) p. 110), you'll see that the scores are derived from three indicators: (i) the prevalence of IUU (Illegal, unreported, and unregulated) fishing, (ii) each country's vulnerability to IUU fishing, and (iii) their response to it. Only in the Prevalence table for 2021 does China "weight 25-30% worse" than #2 (South Korea). In the Vulnerability table, China's score is only marginally worse (3.3-5%) than Japan, the second-worst in both 2019 and 2021. In the Response table, China (3.31) is not even among the top 10 worst countries, scoring comparably to Israel (3.29) and better than Singapore (3.87) and UAE (3.82). Also worth noting: the Prevalence score is calculated based on the number of vessels recorded on IUU lists (see p.12), so we'd expect countries with a larger number of fishing vessells to score higher (i.e. worse) in respect of Prevalence, which is why even the US made it to #8 worst in the Prevalence table for 2021. > For some reason your deep linking isn’t bringing me to the tables you’re referring to I don't have the machine to test this right now, but it's possible that the ?page=N search parameter trick only works in Chromium.

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cmcaleer 3y ago
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- TaiwanNo1 3y ago
  Did you see my username?
aragonite 3y ago
For the report's purposes Taiwan is treated as a separate entity from China. Taiwan is actually listed in 2019 as the #2 global worst offender. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-Report-2021.pdf#page=64 https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-...

erentz 3y ago

Don’t skip some and introduce your bias. 1 China 2 Russia 3 South Korea 4 Somalia 5 Yemen 6 Taiwan 7 Ukraine 8 Eritrean 9 Egypt 10 Lybia

aragonite 3y ago
I linked directly to the pages in the report containing the very tables you've copy-pasted. It's literally one click away. In case it's not obvious, the entire point is that the actual statistics is not very convenient for the "good-guy v. bad-guy" framing. Why else would I only highlight countries considered in the US as part of the "good guys" camp? While we're on this topic, US's own ranking drastically worsened between 2019 and 2021, from being #66 worst globally (see p.121) to #27 worst (see p. 111): > When considering prevalence, five countries – South Korea, Seychelles, the USA, Senegal and Saint Vincent & the Grenadines – entered the list of worst-performing countries in 2021 for the first time, with China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand and Ecuador remaining in the worst performers. (p.28)
vkou 3y ago
How much worse is #1 to #3, and #6, on a per-capita basis?

fnordpiglet 3y ago

It is worth noting the ranking is also weighted, and China consistently weights 25-30-% worse than #2 in each table. (For some reason your deep linking isn’t bringing me to the tables you’re referring to so not sure which specifically you’re referring to). But you’re right - everyone is screwing the planet up in their own messed up ways. I think rather than making bogey men out of the “bad guys,” we should realize this fact. But with that fact realized, China does act with a particularly egregious lack of responsibility and accountability that belies their stature.

aragonite 3y ago
> China consistently weights 25-30-% worse than #2 in each table I agree with your larger point, but I'm not sure this is entirely accurate. If you look at table 4 on p. 32 (i.e. printed page number; PDF page number is 21, and the complete data can be found at the end of the PDF, starting on (printed page number) p. 110), you'll see that the scores are derived from three indicators: (i) the prevalence of IUU (Illegal, unreported, and unregulated) fishing, (ii) each country's vulnerability to IUU fishing, and (iii) their response to it. Only in the Prevalence table for 2021 does China "weight 25-30% worse" than #2 (South Korea). In the Vulnerability table, China's score is only marginally worse (3.3-5%) than Japan, the second-worst in both 2019 and 2021. In the Response table, China (3.31) is not even among the top 10 worst countries, scoring comparably to Israel (3.29) and better than Singapore (3.87) and UAE (3.82). Also worth noting: the Prevalence score is calculated based on the number of vessels recorded on IUU lists (see p.12), so we'd expect countries with a larger number of fishing vessells to score higher (i.e. worse) in respect of Prevalence, which is why even the US made it to #8 worst in the Prevalence table for 2021. > For some reason your deep linking isn’t bringing me to the tables you’re referring to I don't have the machine to test this right now, but it's possible that the ?page=N search parameter trick only works in Chromium.