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There's plenty of Black Mirror style dystopia right within US corporate policy that doesn't involve CCP panopticon fear mongering. A US woman discovers that he

by rchaud 3y ago

There's plenty of Black Mirror style dystopia right within US corporate policy that doesn't involve CCP panopticon fear mongering. A US woman discovers that her Mercedes allows her abusive ex-husband to track the car movements and follow her. Eve though she got a court order giving her sole control of the car and was making the loan payments herself, the company refused to rescind access to her abusive ex because his name was still on the title. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/31/technology/car-trackers-gps-abuse.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/31/technology/car-trackers-g...

maerF0x0 3y ago
I agree in general, but disagree those are the same thing. His name on the title means he somehow owns the car and property rights are a thing too. She can simply stop using the car or acquire another one. Rights are entirely dismissed by the CCP/Totalitarian dictatorships. Their courts are entirely theater. Same classification, different magnitude.
- rchaud 3y ago
  Meanwhile the US court system moves so slowly that a man facing multiple federal charges will be able to run for president later this year.
thih9 3y ago
As you say, part of the problem is also that the loan was in the husband's name. > the loan and title were in his name, a decision the couple had made because he had a better credit score than hers. Curious, what outcome would you expect instead? As in: no tracking functionality, or tracking that can be disabled by the driver, or customer support processing the request, or saner credit score processes, or something else?
- rchaud 3y ago
  I would expect Mercedes to abide by a court order. This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't a "smart car" and just has a plain old set of keys, the company wouldnt need to be involved at all. But they have an additional responsibility here because they can override the legal system in this case with no recourse. Frankly they're lucky the ex husband killed himself. Could have been a very expensive lawsuit if he ended up hurting someone.
  - thih9 3y ago
    > I would expect Mercedes to abide by a court order. > they can override the legal system in this case with no recourse. How? If they didn’t abide by a court order, can’t they be sued?

by rchaud 3y ago

maerF0x0 3y ago

I agree in general, but disagree those are the same thing. His name on the title means he somehow owns the car and property rights are a thing too. She can simply stop using the car or acquire another one. Rights are entirely dismissed by the CCP/Totalitarian dictatorships. Their courts are entirely theater. Same classification, different magnitude.

rchaud 3y ago
Meanwhile the US court system moves so slowly that a man facing multiple federal charges will be able to run for president later this year.

thih9 3y ago

As you say, part of the problem is also that the loan was in the husband's name. > the loan and title were in his name, a decision the couple had made because he had a better credit score than hers. Curious, what outcome would you expect instead? As in: no tracking functionality, or tracking that can be disabled by the driver, or customer support processing the request, or saner credit score processes, or something else?

rchaud 3y ago
I would expect Mercedes to abide by a court order. This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't a "smart car" and just has a plain old set of keys, the company wouldnt need to be involved at all. But they have an additional responsibility here because they can override the legal system in this case with no recourse. Frankly they're lucky the ex husband killed himself. Could have been a very expensive lawsuit if he ended up hurting someone.
- thih9 3y ago
  > I would expect Mercedes to abide by a court order. > they can override the legal system in this case with no recourse. How? If they didn’t abide by a court order, can’t they be sued?