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I don’t think I’ve ever done a 45 minute charge stop in many trips between California and faraway places including Colorado, Montana, and Texas. These are not d

by natch 3y ago

I don’t think I’ve ever done a 45 minute charge stop in many trips between California and faraway places including Colorado, Montana, and Texas. These are not day trips. People read stuff and just believe it without questioning. Most of my charge stops are much quicker than what you think. 10 minutes usually. Sometimes 20 or more ahead of a long desert stretch where gas stations are also few and far between, but usually 10. The most priceless thing though is safety for your family. I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars, and it’s just sad to me that they didn’t see the options for what they were, and could have easily afforded a much safer car, but instead based their choices on bad information about supposed long charging times and supposed long lines at chargers.

s3p 3y ago
Agreed :) I've driven a Wrangler since I got my drivers license (nearly a decade ago) and I am just waiting for the day I am side swiped or my car rolls over due to some unforseen accident. Whether it's my fault or not. I love my car but the safety ratings are abysmal and I for one look forward to the day I have a savings high enough to afford a safe EV.
- ttt3ts 3y ago
  Man, I miss my TJ. I now have a family car with excellent crash ratings. Take the top off and enjoy it while you can :P
wing-_-nuts 3y ago
I'm sorry I was with you until you started talking about safety? Gas cars are not inherently unsafe. Yes, a lot of EVs have very high crash safety ratings but I'd be willing to bet a volvo is safer overall even if tesla has managed to game some scores. I will admit that evs typically have a much lower rollover risk, but frankly stability control will not let you drive a car beyond it's limits. Even a hulking SUV is pretty hard to rollover these days.
- natch 3y ago
  I'm sure Volvos are safe (definitely far behind Tesla though, I've owned multiple of both) but now knowing that Volvo is a China owned company, I would never buy one for that reason, nothing to do with safety.
  - MeImCounting 3y ago
    Kind of like how tesla is a musk owned company. I would never buy one for that reason.
    - natch 3y ago
      From what I can tell Elon is actually a good guy. I think he gets a bad rap because a lot of people believe everything they read and regurgitate it without question. They almost never provide specifics — your comment is a case in point — and if they do it’s totally trivial stuff where he’s just being a person. We’re all imperfect; he’s just more open.
      - a_gnostic 3y ago
        Spoken like an Elon.
        natch 3y ago
        Another perfect case in point! Good one.
      - MeImCounting 3y ago
        I had a bet with my partner if leaving this comment would attract Elon apologist fans and how many. Theres only one of you which means I lost 5$. Damn you. In all seriousness I really wish SpaceX and Starlink werent associated with Musk because they are amazing. Tesla less so, Teslas are mostly a status symbol.
      - saagarjha 3y ago
        People absolutely provide specifics. How about the times he keeps firing people who disagree with him? Or when he sexually assaults people? Is that “just being a person”?
wernercd 3y ago
Safety is great in EVs until a battery pops and it takes a 3 alarm fire crew and 36,000 gallons of water to put it out. https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2024/01/02/unusual-tesla-fire-requires-36000-gallons-of-water-to-put-out-us-officials-say https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2024/01/02/unusual... > “This was a first for Autauga County,” the fire department wrote. “Electric vehicle fires are unusual and present unique challenges and dangers to firefighters.” The smoke from these types of fires contains toxic gases such as hydrogen fluoride and hydrogen chloride, officials said. The batteries can also reignite even after they blaze has been put out, the fire department added. "I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars" So the question becomes why is "I've read about" a valid response and how does it stand up against "I read about how dangerous EVs are in a random article somewhere online sometime"?
- natch 3y ago
  Now post a link abut how often fires happen in gas vehicles versus EVs. "I read about" is only part of my response, and the rest of my response speaks for itself. One does have to poke beyond what one reads. Poke beyond the dramatic headlines and you see that if EV batteries ever burn, which they usually don't even in accidents, they always make the news, but they burn slowly, giving occupants ample time to get away assuming they avail themselves of the easily grasped and intuitively placed manual door releases.
  - wernercd 3y ago
    Fires happen less often with EVs... but if they are 20x worse and spew worse toxic chemicals? Then how is it "better"? People get away slower but in exchange for batteries that cost tens of thousands to replace? Strip mining to get the rare earth minerals? etc. "one has to poke" definitely... which is why the "i read" line really stands out as a limited comment which I am poking at. The notion that EVs are "better" is an interesting view considering the cost to make, the dangers and the waste left behind.
    - natch 3y ago
      The crossover point is 1.5 years of use.
AlgorithmicTime 3y ago
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caconym_ 3y ago
> The most priceless thing though is safety for your family. I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars, and it’s just sad to me that they didn’t see the options for what they were, and could have easily afforded a much safer car, but instead based their choices on bad information about supposed long charging times and supposed long lines at chargers. Huh? On what basis do you believe EVs on the market today are safer than their ICE counterparts? https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks

by natch 3y ago

s3p 3y ago

Agreed :) I've driven a Wrangler since I got my drivers license (nearly a decade ago) and I am just waiting for the day I am side swiped or my car rolls over due to some unforseen accident. Whether it's my fault or not. I love my car but the safety ratings are abysmal and I for one look forward to the day I have a savings high enough to afford a safe EV.

ttt3ts 3y ago
Man, I miss my TJ. I now have a family car with excellent crash ratings. Take the top off and enjoy it while you can :P

wing-_-nuts 3y ago

I'm sorry I was with you until you started talking about safety? Gas cars are not inherently unsafe. Yes, a lot of EVs have very high crash safety ratings but I'd be willing to bet a volvo is safer overall even if tesla has managed to game some scores. I will admit that evs typically have a much lower rollover risk, but frankly stability control will not let you drive a car beyond it's limits. Even a hulking SUV is pretty hard to rollover these days.

natch 3y ago
I'm sure Volvos are safe (definitely far behind Tesla though, I've owned multiple of both) but now knowing that Volvo is a China owned company, I would never buy one for that reason, nothing to do with safety.
- MeImCounting 3y ago
  Kind of like how tesla is a musk owned company. I would never buy one for that reason.
  - natch 3y ago
    From what I can tell Elon is actually a good guy. I think he gets a bad rap because a lot of people believe everything they read and regurgitate it without question. They almost never provide specifics — your comment is a case in point — and if they do it’s totally trivial stuff where he’s just being a person. We’re all imperfect; he’s just more open.
    - a_gnostic 3y ago
      Spoken like an Elon.
      - natch 3y ago
        Another perfect case in point! Good one.
    - MeImCounting 3y ago
      I had a bet with my partner if leaving this comment would attract Elon apologist fans and how many. Theres only one of you which means I lost 5$. Damn you. In all seriousness I really wish SpaceX and Starlink werent associated with Musk because they are amazing. Tesla less so, Teslas are mostly a status symbol.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      People absolutely provide specifics. How about the times he keeps firing people who disagree with him? Or when he sexually assaults people? Is that “just being a person”?

wernercd 3y ago

Safety is great in EVs until a battery pops and it takes a 3 alarm fire crew and 36,000 gallons of water to put it out. https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2024/01/02/unusual-tesla-fire-requires-36000-gallons-of-water-to-put-out-us-officials-say https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2024/01/02/unusual... > “This was a first for Autauga County,” the fire department wrote. “Electric vehicle fires are unusual and present unique challenges and dangers to firefighters.” The smoke from these types of fires contains toxic gases such as hydrogen fluoride and hydrogen chloride, officials said. The batteries can also reignite even after they blaze has been put out, the fire department added. "I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars" So the question becomes why is "I've read about" a valid response and how does it stand up against "I read about how dangerous EVs are in a random article somewhere online sometime"?

natch 3y ago
Now post a link abut how often fires happen in gas vehicles versus EVs. "I read about" is only part of my response, and the rest of my response speaks for itself. One does have to poke beyond what one reads. Poke beyond the dramatic headlines and you see that if EV batteries ever burn, which they usually don't even in accidents, they always make the news, but they burn slowly, giving occupants ample time to get away assuming they avail themselves of the easily grasped and intuitively placed manual door releases.
- wernercd 3y ago
  Fires happen less often with EVs... but if they are 20x worse and spew worse toxic chemicals? Then how is it "better"? People get away slower but in exchange for batteries that cost tens of thousands to replace? Strip mining to get the rare earth minerals? etc. "one has to poke" definitely... which is why the "i read" line really stands out as a limited comment which I am poking at. The notion that EVs are "better" is an interesting view considering the cost to make, the dangers and the waste left behind.
  - natch 3y ago
    The crossover point is 1.5 years of use.

AlgorithmicTime 3y ago

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caconym_ 3y ago

> The most priceless thing though is safety for your family. I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars, and it’s just sad to me that they didn’t see the options for what they were, and could have easily afforded a much safer car, but instead based their choices on bad information about supposed long charging times and supposed long lines at chargers. Huh? On what basis do you believe EVs on the market today are safer than their ICE counterparts? https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks