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But you need people to use those guns. And those people need to stay loyal. Sure, you have stuff, but how do you keep your stuff safe from others who are bett

But you need people to use those guns. And those people need to stay loyal. Sure, you have stuff, but how do you keep your stuff safe from others who are bettered skilled at taking your stuff?

gruez 3y ago
How did the monarchs of europe stay in power?
- rwmj 3y ago
  They appealed to "god says I'm the monarch", plus personal charisma, plus playing off one group against another group. There also existed a state and laws, even if primitive compared to what we have today. Even so I doubt it was an easy thing being a European monarch.
  - RetroTechie 3y ago
    Besides: no doubt being in a ruler's private army had its perks. A stable job, status, coins etc. Iirc not rarely a ruler met its demise after failing to pay their mercenaries.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  A whole social structure was built up and around them. When they took power the board was largely already set. When societal unrest hit the people who were at the top tended to change. I don't think the uber powerful building bunkers will be able to change that.
- KineticLensman 3y ago
  > How did the monarchs of europe stay in power? By being the centre of a network of long-term two-way relationships with 'nobles' who had delegated authority to control the wider population (and who in turn delegated power downwards). Ultimately the base provided food and other essentials, and in turn the monarch maintained / enforced the necessary social constructs, by violence if necessary. If the monarchs lost the support of their immediate subordinates, they were toast. The wider population had very little power at an individual level, and lacked the means to sustain widespread uprisings. None of these monarchs were oligarchs in a bunker. [Edit]. Control of vast tracts of land was essential: your ability to maintain a powerbase depended a lot on how well you could marshal the necessary natural resources (primarily food). It was common for the nobles to be rewarded with large tracts of land from which luxuries could be skimmed off, and armies raised if necessary. Again, this is nothing like a bunker. The rulers (and their subordinates) had to maintain a continuous strong presence across their land to ensure the continual flow of raw material and manpower, which they couldn't do while hiding.
- benterix 3y ago
  > How did the monarchs of europe stay in power? The past tense in your sentence is telling. Basically when people realized the reasons for absolute monarchy are all invented, they did away with it, often decapitating the rulers or sometimes delegating them to a representative position.

But you need people to use those guns. And those people need to stay loyal. Sure, you have stuff, but how do you keep your stuff safe from others who are bettered skilled at taking your stuff?

gruez 3y ago

How did the monarchs of europe stay in power?

rwmj 3y ago
They appealed to "god says I'm the monarch", plus personal charisma, plus playing off one group against another group. There also existed a state and laws, even if primitive compared to what we have today. Even so I doubt it was an easy thing being a European monarch.
- RetroTechie 3y ago
  Besides: no doubt being in a ruler's private army had its perks. A stable job, status, coins etc. Iirc not rarely a ruler met its demise after failing to pay their mercenaries.
SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
A whole social structure was built up and around them. When they took power the board was largely already set. When societal unrest hit the people who were at the top tended to change. I don't think the uber powerful building bunkers will be able to change that.
KineticLensman 3y ago
> How did the monarchs of europe stay in power? By being the centre of a network of long-term two-way relationships with 'nobles' who had delegated authority to control the wider population (and who in turn delegated power downwards). Ultimately the base provided food and other essentials, and in turn the monarch maintained / enforced the necessary social constructs, by violence if necessary. If the monarchs lost the support of their immediate subordinates, they were toast. The wider population had very little power at an individual level, and lacked the means to sustain widespread uprisings. None of these monarchs were oligarchs in a bunker. [Edit]. Control of vast tracts of land was essential: your ability to maintain a powerbase depended a lot on how well you could marshal the necessary natural resources (primarily food). It was common for the nobles to be rewarded with large tracts of land from which luxuries could be skimmed off, and armies raised if necessary. Again, this is nothing like a bunker. The rulers (and their subordinates) had to maintain a continuous strong presence across their land to ensure the continual flow of raw material and manpower, which they couldn't do while hiding.
benterix 3y ago
> How did the monarchs of europe stay in power? The past tense in your sentence is telling. Basically when people realized the reasons for absolute monarchy are all invented, they did away with it, often decapitating the rulers or sometimes delegating them to a representative position.