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Let's call the largest operator of illegal fishing boats by its name: China > This Chinese fleet is also categorized by The Global Initiative Against Trans
by TomK32 3y ago
Let's call the largest operator of illegal fishing boats by its name: China
> This Chinese fleet is also categorized by The Global Initiative Against Transnational Organized Crime as the largest purveyor of illegal fishing in the world. Our reporting revealed Chinese vessels illegally entering the waters of other countries, disabling locational transponders in violation of Chinese law, breaking U.N. sanctions that prohibit foreigners fishing in North Korean waters, transmitting dual identities (or “spoofing”), finning of protected shark species, fishing without a license, and using prohibited gear.
https://time.com/6328528/investigation-chinese-fishing-fleet-ian-urbina-essay/ https://time.com/6328528/investigation-chinese-fishing-fleet...
- lupusreal 3y agoAbout time coast guards start sinking these bastards on sight.
- axus 3y agoAre these organized by some large state-run company, or is it a bunch of independent businesses exploiting the lack of enforcement?
- asylteltine 3y agoWhat’s the difference? China is responsible either way
- 93po 3y agoSeems like it'd be hard for anyone to say with confidence given that we're only just now learning of the scale of their existence
- ChatGTP 3y agoThis is definitely not the first I’ve heard of it.
- londons_explore 3y agoAn operation of this scale likely involves tens of thousands of people. Those people have families, are paid salaries, have grievances, etc. In fact, bet a few of them are here on HN right now and could probably give us a first hand account while on the high seas trying to browse the only bit of the internet that still works with a 32kbps high latency internet connection...
- dylan604 3y agoNah, they just use their Starlink connections
- kridsdale1 3y agoRed-Star Link
- 93po 3y agoOne account of out tens of thousands
- realusername 3y agoThere aren't many large scale things happening in China without the state behind it and that's also the case here. The vessels are heavily subsidied.
- anjel 3y agoThe crux is: People require protein, daily. Feeding a population of 1.5 billion people requires quite a a lot of protein. Nothing leads more directly to civil unrest than hunger and famine.
- zzleeper 3y agoThat doesn't justify China for going all the way across the ocean to illegally fish on Chilean/Peruvian/Ecuador waters
- proc0 3y agoI don't know anything about this particular issue, but generally from what I recall, Chinese companies are effectively the CCP by their own admission. They have full control.
- causal 3y agoThis article also highlights the human-trafficking happening on these illegal fleets. Disturbing intersection of inhumane practices.
- CalRobert 3y agoSlavery, presumably?
- kridsdale1 3y agoApparently the vast majority of crews on normal legal global logistics shipping vessels are Phillipino. I wonder how many of the Chinese shark-murder slaver vessels are too.
- TomK32 3y agoThe Global Slavery Index has estimates and as the article about China's fleets mentions North Korea, that hellish pit is obviously on #1 with >10% of the population in modern slavery https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/methodology/methodology-content/#prevalence https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/methodology/me...
- guyomes 3y agoThe Association for Professional Observers maintains a list of observer deaths and disappearances [1] that is also disturbing. [1]: https://www.apo-observers.org/observer-safety/misses/ https://www.apo-observers.org/observer-safety/misses/
- pc86 3y agoIsn't illegally entering another country's territory an act of war? Sink the boats, problem solved. Presumably another, much larger, problem will be created. But the illegal fishing might stop.
- FpUser 3y agoYeah, let's cut the arm out so the finger does not itch
- callalex 3y agoIt would only take a few examples to change behavior.
- ActionHank 3y agoThey often target countries that are not able to effectively police or defend their waters.
- pintxo 3y agoThe ocean is so vast, few, if any, countries are able to monitor, let alone defend, their share of it at all times.
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- Sanzig 3y agoIt's illegal fishing, not a ballistic missile submarine. Nobody needs to die over this. Send in the coast guard, impound the ship, assess big fines. If the fines go unpaid, sell the ship.
- golergka 3y agoUnless you’re able to impound a significant % of their fleet, their profits would still cover the losses and this wouldn’t serve as an effective deterrent. Sinking the ship, on the other hand, would make the crews really uneasy about going into your coastal waters. People don’t weigh probability of dying against a survivability of the whole fleet.
- aragonite 3y agoWorth mentioning that the same cited report identifies South Korea, Taiwan, Ukraine as #3, #6, #7 global worst offenders. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-Report-2021.pdf#page=21 https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-... For flag state responsibility (Table 16), Taiwan (#2), South Korea (#4), Japan (#6), Spain (#7) are also among top-10 global worst offenders. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-Report-2021.pdf#page=37 https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-...
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- TaiwanNo1 3y agoDid you see my username?
- aragonite 3y agoFor the report's purposes Taiwan is treated as a separate entity from China. Taiwan is actually listed in 2019 as the #2 global worst offender. https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-Report-2021.pdf#page=64 https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IUU-...
- erentz 3y agoDon’t skip some and introduce your bias. 1 China 2 Russia 3 South Korea 4 Somalia 5 Yemen 6 Taiwan 7 Ukraine 8 Eritrean 9 Egypt 10 Lybia
- aragonite 3y agoI linked directly to the pages in the report containing the very tables you've copy-pasted. It's literally one click away. In case it's not obvious, the entire point is that the actual statistics is not very convenient for the "good-guy v. bad-guy" framing. Why else would I only highlight countries considered in the US as part of the "good guys" camp? While we're on this topic, US's own ranking drastically worsened between 2019 and 2021, from being #66 worst globally (see p.121) to #27 worst (see p. 111): > When considering prevalence, five countries – South Korea, Seychelles, the USA, Senegal and Saint Vincent & the Grenadines – entered the list of worst-performing countries in 2021 for the first time, with China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand and Ecuador remaining in the worst performers. (p.28)
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