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What interests me is how he's going to incentivise his guards to keep guarding him, after an apocalypse that wipes out both his money and the usefulness of mone

by rwmj 3y ago

What interests me is how he's going to incentivise his guards to keep guarding him, after an apocalypse that wipes out both his money and the usefulness of money itself.

pintxo 3y ago
You will be down to Leadership/Charisma. So better only hire introvert guards.
hattmall 3y ago
Presumably the bunker would have significant stores of food and supplies with which to pay them and offer protection for their families. Additionally there would also be the promise of eventually getting to other bunkers that he has with more supplies and people. Which may or may not exist.
- rwmj 3y ago
  Or they will take the food and supplies by force and give him no choice but to reveal the location of the other bunkers.
- latentcall 3y ago
  I think armed security will be able to get their own food from the stores. No single man no matter who they are in a SHTF scenario could realistically convince enough people to keep them safe. In fact his security would be the ones with all the power, he would have none.
  - benterix 3y ago
    This can make him up at night. He needs to come up with a very convincing way of promising them some more resources that cannot be just grabbed by torturing him. It's not going to be easy. In traditional setups you have a higher reason such as protecting the president for the sake of the whole nation etc., with Zuck you have none.
  - kobalsky 3y ago
    the church, despots and criminals have had the chain of command stuff figured out for a while.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    >I think armed security will be able to get their own food from the stores. No single man no matter who they are in a SHTF scenario could realistically convince enough people to keep them safe. In fact his security would be the ones with all the power, he would have none. That all depends on how you are creating this fantasy narrative in your head.
- tivert 3y ago
  Realistically, a billionaire-in-a-bunker's only choice is to 1. pick guards he likes and who like him, 2. be really nice to them, 3. make peace with becoming their peer after the apocalypse. He can probably buy survival, but he can't keep his power after the legal system (and his money) is useless. I'm guessing the required characteristics of post-apocalyptic warlord and a tech CEO have important areas of non-overlap. Zuckerberg certainly lacks the necessary charisma.
flir 3y ago
Neuralink. (Probably). You know these people look for technical solutions to social problems.
- tivert 3y ago
  Wasn't there some older billionaires-in-bunkers story that had them musing about using shock collars or something and the opportunity for survival to maintain control over the guards? Edit: Here it is: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep... > ...Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system, and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?” The event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hack that takes everything down. > This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from raiders as well as angry mobs. One had already secured a dozen Navy Seals to make their way to his compound if he gave them the right cue. But how would he pay the guards once even his crypto was worthless? What would stop the guards from eventually choosing their own leader? > The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”. Personally, I think there needs to be a citizen mapping project to document the precise location of these billionaire bunkers, to make sure the quantity of looters in an apocalypse will overwhelm any guard force.

by rwmj 3y ago

What interests me is how he's going to incentivise his guards to keep guarding him, after an apocalypse that wipes out both his money and the usefulness of money itself.

pintxo 3y ago

You will be down to Leadership/Charisma. So better only hire introvert guards.

hattmall 3y ago

Presumably the bunker would have significant stores of food and supplies with which to pay them and offer protection for their families. Additionally there would also be the promise of eventually getting to other bunkers that he has with more supplies and people. Which may or may not exist.

rwmj 3y ago
Or they will take the food and supplies by force and give him no choice but to reveal the location of the other bunkers.
latentcall 3y ago
I think armed security will be able to get their own food from the stores. No single man no matter who they are in a SHTF scenario could realistically convince enough people to keep them safe. In fact his security would be the ones with all the power, he would have none.
- benterix 3y ago
  This can make him up at night. He needs to come up with a very convincing way of promising them some more resources that cannot be just grabbed by torturing him. It's not going to be easy. In traditional setups you have a higher reason such as protecting the president for the sake of the whole nation etc., with Zuck you have none.
- kobalsky 3y ago
  the church, despots and criminals have had the chain of command stuff figured out for a while.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  >I think armed security will be able to get their own food from the stores. No single man no matter who they are in a SHTF scenario could realistically convince enough people to keep them safe. In fact his security would be the ones with all the power, he would have none. That all depends on how you are creating this fantasy narrative in your head.
tivert 3y ago
Realistically, a billionaire-in-a-bunker's only choice is to 1. pick guards he likes and who like him, 2. be really nice to them, 3. make peace with becoming their peer after the apocalypse. He can probably buy survival, but he can't keep his power after the legal system (and his money) is useless. I'm guessing the required characteristics of post-apocalyptic warlord and a tech CEO have important areas of non-overlap. Zuckerberg certainly lacks the necessary charisma.

flir 3y ago

Neuralink. (Probably). You know these people look for technical solutions to social problems.

tivert 3y ago
Wasn't there some older billionaires-in-bunkers story that had them musing about using shock collars or something and the opportunity for survival to maintain control over the guards? Edit: Here it is: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep... > ...Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system, and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?” The event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hack that takes everything down. > This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from raiders as well as angry mobs. One had already secured a dozen Navy Seals to make their way to his compound if he gave them the right cue. But how would he pay the guards once even his crypto was worthless? What would stop the guards from eventually choosing their own leader? > The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”. Personally, I think there needs to be a citizen mapping project to document the precise location of these billionaire bunkers, to make sure the quantity of looters in an apocalypse will overwhelm any guard force.