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> Israel annihilating Hamas This is a pipe dream. For every killed Hamas member there are two sons or brothers who are ready to pick up arms. This looks like a

> Israel annihilating Hamas This is a pipe dream. For every killed Hamas member there are two sons or brothers who are ready to pick up arms. This looks like a fools errand if you ask me. Isreael appear to think that if they just get rid of the last training camp, the last tunnel or the last rocket ramp, then all will be quiet. I honestly don't think they really believe that. I think the campaign is a populism fueled killing spree for a domestic audience. The collateral and civilian damage isn't a side effect but a feature. And they know Hamas isn't weakened long term by it but the opposite. But they do it anyway because of domestic politics.

myth_drannon 3y ago
ISIS is mostly gone and a non-threat. Al-Qaeda as well. Nazism is a thing of the past. Sure you have neo-nazis in different places like Russia, US, Gaza (looks like "Mein Kampf" is the most popular book there after Koran) but that's just deranged individuals, not infrastructure. So yes, Hamas will be there for decades but mostly as an ideology of a sick people, Israel physically eliminated any future threat from this place for a long, long time.
- theironhammer 3y ago
  Neo Nazis in Russia? The Russians sacrificed millions fighting the Nazis. It's the neo Nazis in Ukraine that tried to ban the Russian language and prevented Zhelensky from negotiating peace in the Donbass when first elected.
  - greenyoda 3y ago
    > Neo Nazis in Russia? Yes, and there's even a Wikipedia article devoted to them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia Quote from that article: > With the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War, Russian neo-Nazis have achieved international attention for their militant support of Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine. Certain groups, such as the Russian Imperial Movement, have been accused of training white supremacists and neo-Nazis from other countries in Europe. The links between these groups and the Russian government, comprising a policy known as managed nationalism, have become particularly noteworthy since the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine after Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed to be pursuing the "denazification" of Ukraine. The linked article on "managed nationalism" has more: > Managed nationalism or controlled nationalism is a term used by some academics to refer to an informal policy of pragmatic collaboration with Russian nationalist and neo-Nazis (or in broader cases, the Russian far-right as a whole) pursued by the government of Russia under Vladimir Putin. ... > The Russian response to Euromaidan marked a significant revitalisation of managed nationalism. Neo-Nazis, monarchists, Stalinists, and Christian nationalists, as well as Cossack groups, formed the anti-Maidan coalition, and later became militants supporting the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics as part of the Russian people's militias in Ukraine, bringing together members of the Russian neo-Nazi community and others from throughout Europe. ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism
edanm 3y ago
This is almost certainly not true, at least to the extent you portray it. Sure, domestic Israeli politics plays into everything (as politics always does in a democracy). But you have to realize a few things - this is wrecking the Israeli economy, Israel is losing soldiers in this current war daily, and everyone in Israel personally knows someone on the front lines of the fighting. This isn't some vague "other people are fighting a war and might get killed", this is people you know personally fighting that war. No one sane would support a "killing spree" with no end in sight, if not for morality's sake, just for the fact that it's hurting Israel a lot. In fact, it would be far "easier" on Israel, in that sense, to just bomb a lot more, kill far more civilians, but end this war much sooner. Of course it would be a moral travesty, but if Israel was going by pure populist anger, that'd probably be the course it would take. There are some people in Israel advocating for exactly this - increase the amount of bombing in order to lower the risk to Israeli soldiers.

myth_drannon 3y ago

ISIS is mostly gone and a non-threat. Al-Qaeda as well. Nazism is a thing of the past. Sure you have neo-nazis in different places like Russia, US, Gaza (looks like "Mein Kampf" is the most popular book there after Koran) but that's just deranged individuals, not infrastructure. So yes, Hamas will be there for decades but mostly as an ideology of a sick people, Israel physically eliminated any future threat from this place for a long, long time.

theironhammer 3y ago
Neo Nazis in Russia? The Russians sacrificed millions fighting the Nazis. It's the neo Nazis in Ukraine that tried to ban the Russian language and prevented Zhelensky from negotiating peace in the Donbass when first elected.
- greenyoda 3y ago
  > Neo Nazis in Russia? Yes, and there's even a Wikipedia article devoted to them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia Quote from that article: > With the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War, Russian neo-Nazis have achieved international attention for their militant support of Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine. Certain groups, such as the Russian Imperial Movement, have been accused of training white supremacists and neo-Nazis from other countries in Europe. The links between these groups and the Russian government, comprising a policy known as managed nationalism, have become particularly noteworthy since the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine after Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed to be pursuing the "denazification" of Ukraine. The linked article on "managed nationalism" has more: > Managed nationalism or controlled nationalism is a term used by some academics to refer to an informal policy of pragmatic collaboration with Russian nationalist and neo-Nazis (or in broader cases, the Russian far-right as a whole) pursued by the government of Russia under Vladimir Putin. ... > The Russian response to Euromaidan marked a significant revitalisation of managed nationalism. Neo-Nazis, monarchists, Stalinists, and Christian nationalists, as well as Cossack groups, formed the anti-Maidan coalition, and later became militants supporting the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics as part of the Russian people's militias in Ukraine, bringing together members of the Russian neo-Nazi community and others from throughout Europe. ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism

edanm 3y ago

This is almost certainly not true, at least to the extent you portray it. Sure, domestic Israeli politics plays into everything (as politics always does in a democracy). But you have to realize a few things - this is wrecking the Israeli economy, Israel is losing soldiers in this current war daily, and everyone in Israel personally knows someone on the front lines of the fighting. This isn't some vague "other people are fighting a war and might get killed", this is people you know personally fighting that war. No one sane would support a "killing spree" with no end in sight, if not for morality's sake, just for the fact that it's hurting Israel a lot. In fact, it would be far "easier" on Israel, in that sense, to just bomb a lot more, kill far more civilians, but end this war much sooner. Of course it would be a moral travesty, but if Israel was going by pure populist anger, that'd probably be the course it would take. There are some people in Israel advocating for exactly this - increase the amount of bombing in order to lower the risk to Israeli soldiers.