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Zuckerberg's bunker plans fuel speculation on billionaires building bunkers

30 points by MrJagil 3y ago

poisonborz 3y ago
The Expanse S05E09 offers a valid scenario on what would happen to such a bunker (scavengers exploit their resources, with the employees inside helping them).
opine-at-random 3y ago
Why would it be so conspiratorial? These people are overwhelmingly responsible for the viciation of our world and societies, and claim the profits from it. An INT value only goes up to 2B, these people have orders of magnitude more money than that. Knowing our living planet's active course of destruction, this is literally the smartest way they could spend that money. The alternative is for them to have some kind of empathetic awakening, reorient their own existence and the existence of their enterprises, and recognize meaningful ways to spend their money... but if all the resource in the world couldn't give them that perspective, I doubt anything can. It's crazy, because they could build a world in which there where good ways to spend that money, or spend that money on the multitude of extant causes that could use it. But they would rather hoard wealth and steal the collective future of the planet (including their own, and their offspring), and then delusionally try to seclude themselves away. Their power only exists in the world they're bent on destroying.
- sweettea 3y ago
  Zuck is doing a great job of working to improve human life with his money, having promised to give away 99% of it, and making concrete steps to do so: https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-explains-giving-away-his-money-2015-12?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-explains-giv... https://www.statnews.com/2023/10/19/mark-zuckerberg-priscilla-chan-meta-czi-50-billion/ https://www.statnews.com/2023/10/19/mark-zuckerberg-priscill...
  - zer00eyz 3y ago
    How about zuck spend some of that money to clean up the shit in his own house: https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/ https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/ You can't make a problem in one place, and do some good elsewhere and then call it even. Thats not how being responsible works. Dont sugar coat the man and his nonsense with a scant act of charity.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    > having promised to give away 99% of it That really feels like the emptiest of promises. "Oh, I'm going to give away all my money once I'm done living my life of impossible excess". They don't get points for that. They could give away a massive portion of it RIGHT NOW and be able to live in the exact same excess, but they won't. I won't give them credit for future promises that cost them nothing to make.
  - latentcall 3y ago
    “I’ll give it all away one day… I promise!” He could give away 100% of his money and assets right now.
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      More realistically (because 100% seems like a big ask), he could give away 99% of it right now and he'd still have enough for himself and his descendants to never have to work again.
  - getpokedagain 3y ago
    This kind of thing just reeks of shortsightedness. Having one lucky prick who sure maybe worked a little hard maybe not decide what to do for humanity with his money that he won through predatory means is dumb. Garbage in garbage out, anyone who is focused on mind fucking the worlds population in order to get a little richer is not going to give away anything in an effective manner. When we stop having zuckerbergs, gates buffets and so on we probably will see improvement.
- Radim 3y ago
  You're not wrong, but more puzzling is that this is Zuckerberg's bunker. I mean, it takes a pretty dumb billionaire to not realize that when a real crisis hits, you'll be a sitting duck (mostly for your own guards / security), in your fancy bunker or forest ranch. That's more of a naive plan for your run-of-the-mill rich guy, the lower echelon of "rich". Mere $100M-1Bs. I always thought Zuck-level money gives you better options, such as building your own loyal community. At least village-sized and quite diverse. Which is what you really need when the shit hits the fan. But maybe Zuck's building that too? And the bunker only a red herring, a hedge for minor temporary hiccups.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    > I always thought Zuck-level money gives you better options, such as building your own loyal community Zuck-level money wouldn't matter in a situation where a bunker is needed though. In a post-money situation, Zuck doesn't have anything to offer compared to a random man, so nobody will have any reason to join and partake in his "village" plan. A really serious (or at least as close to serious as we can get when imagining apocalyptic scenarios) plan would be to stockpile goods/food/a means of production - those things are what's going to be valuable once shit hits the fan and might actually convince more people to join him.
    - Radim 3y ago
      > Zuck-level money wouldn't matter in a situation where a bunker is needed We're entertaining actions the rich take in preparation for a societal meltdown: build a bunker vs build a community. They take them now (hence the article). Starting to build a bunker (or a community) in a post-apo world would indeed be a little too late for Mr. Zuckerberg & co. > A really serious plan would be to stockpile goods/food/a means of production You need loyal people first and foremost. Leadership and trust. Otherwise disloyal people (historically, your own guards / companions) take whatever you've stockpiled. Yours is that Grade B strategy I was talking about. Your "goods/food/a means of production" are only useful insofar other powers uphold the overarching social structures & rules. To the extent that premise is fulfilled, I'd call such meltdown only a minor temporary hiccup. Beyond that, your stockpile and remote fortress is not much use. You need loyal people.
paxys 3y ago
> However, it’s essential to note that the majority of these assertions lack concrete evidence, raising questions about the validity of such widespread speculations. Meanwhile, here's some more wild speculation.. Internet journalism at its finest.
- wmeredith 3y ago
  It's not internet journalism. It's just journalism, or more accurately, Yellow journalism which has been a thing for as long as there has been industrialized media: at least since the 1890s[1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
electrondood 3y ago
Zuck started building without permits, and then when authorities tried to enforce the permit requirement he had those people fired. Scum. Also... your bright idea in an apocalypse is to isolate yourself on a remote island that already has problems shipping out resources?
- gruez 3y ago
  > Zuck started building without permits, and then when authorities tried to enforce the permit requirement he had those people fired. Source?
ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
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- nickpinkston 3y ago
  It's the opposite actually. By getting bullied, it drives some people to want to become rich / powerful as a fuck you to the bullies.
- popcalc 3y ago
  Do you realize that you're not on 4chan right now?
- jprete 3y ago
  I have no idea how you could think that bullying generates empathy. Bullying doesn't make people more empathetic, it makes them angry and vengeful. Your suggestion will do nothing but damage.
Tangurena2 3y ago
New Zealand has been the traditional home for billionaires' bunkers. This is just a first for Hawaii. His abuse of the legal system to force neighbors to "sell" to him should have been a warning sign. When do we get to see the white cat with a diamond necklace?
- voisin 3y ago
  > His abuse of the legal system to force neighbors to "sell" to him What did he do?
  - rwmj 3y ago
    https://www.wired.com/story/mark-zuckerberg-inside-hawaii-compound/ https://www.wired.com/story/mark-zuckerberg-inside-hawaii-co...
- gruez 3y ago
  >This is just a first for Hawaii. His abuse of the legal system to force neighbors to "sell" to him should have been a warning sign. Can you elaborate on this? I did some searching and turned up this: https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/19/zuckerbergs-moving-in-there-goes-the-neighborhood/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/19/zuckerbergs-moving-in... which seems far more reasonable than your characterization. From what I can tell it's equivalent to doing a title search, and asking the state to declare that there's no competing ownership interests.
jkea 3y ago
Why spend all this money to build bunkers in likely the first places to be fully underwater when global catastrophes/climate shit goes down? Lol. I'd build mine in the middle of Wyoming or something.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  You realize Hawaii is made up of mountains, correct?
- deleted 3y ago
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- jl6 3y ago
  Depending on what the threat is, underwater could offer an additional layer of protection?
- neilk 3y ago
  Plot twist: the Hawaii bunker is just the decoy bunker
- Zambyte 3y ago
  > all this money All what money? Scaled for a net worth of 100k, this would cost less than $200.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  In general it is better to act as those who tell you things are going to be a certain way do, not as they say. That means it is unlikely for e.g. Martha's Vineyard to end up fully underwater when global catastrophes/climate shit goes down given the fact that the Obamas moved there to a property which lies about 4 metres (13 ft.) above the high tide line. With an average sea level rise of 3 mm/year it will take a while for the island to be flooded.
nytesky 3y ago
Who wants to stick around through the apocalypse? What event would be a) well in advance with time to transit to NZ or Hawaii b) require a bunker rather than just isolating in your estate and c) what is the long game assuming society collapses?
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  Global nuclear war, pandemic with fatality rate >25%, AI take over.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Presumably the AI will know where all the bunkers are, unless some of these billionaires are so paranoid they make the contractors use all paper records. Come to think of it, probably at least one or two are that paranoid.
    - dist-epoch 3y ago
      Sure, but you still have a better chance in NZ than in US. And you'll still have to deal with the other people panicking in an AI scenario. Maybe the AI doesn't particularly care about you, but civilization still collapses.
    - nytesky 3y ago
      Can you imagine the complexity of hiding a bunker digitally? Starts with paper records. Then no phones on crew working the site, no gps devices probably, surveillance satellite records would need to be avoided… on and on.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    What AI? ChatGPT? Is the final remnant of humanity going to be a blinking prompt on a screen in the blackened ruins of a dead civilization? Or is Skynet out there already and we just don't know about it?
- kypro 3y ago
  If you're wealthy and civilisation collapses then nothing is preventing you from emerging as a monarch if you wish. Assuming you have enough guns, food and personal you'll basically be able to do whatever the hell you want in a lawless society.
Voultapher 3y ago
Cory Doctorow has a fictional novella about this https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250242334/masqueofthereddeath https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250242334/masqueoftheredd... > It's the story of a plute who brings his pals to his luxury bunker during civlizational collapse in the expectation of emerging once others have rebuilt.
- corbet 3y ago
  "The Future" by Naomi Alderman also explores this space, with some familiar-seeming characters; a good read.
dist-epoch 3y ago
I've always wondered how will you ensure the guards don't take over the complex in an apocalypse. Training in MMA fighting would certainly increase your chances. Or quickly adapting mobster mentality.
- dylan604 3y ago
  based on news, sounds precisely like what the Zuck is doing. he has enough money to pay them for their loyalty, and he's already challenging other billionaires to cage fights sooo...
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    Money would become meaningless once society collapses. Things like food and shelter would be more valuable... but as guards they're already inside the bunker and have access to those, so why would they need Zuck?
    - dylan604 3y ago
      Gotta have a leader of some sort, so why not the ruthless leader of the company that helped destroy civilization?
  - spacecadet 3y ago
    lol what a tool...
- pc86 3y ago
  Presumably the guards can bring their families, and the punishment of leaving the bunker (or worse) for everyone would be enough to keep them in line for at least a little while. Makes for a good movie plot though!
- spacecadet 3y ago
  lol mma skills... the man does not fight, he will never be able to. Just learning some "skills" and spa'ing is not actual fighting and is nothing the same. Mob bosses rarely use skill to extol violence. So I agree, step 1 is to "demonstrate" who is in charge...
skizm 3y ago
If I had more money than I knew what to do with, designing and building a bunker would be a fun side-project.
- deleted 3y ago
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- kuchenbecker 3y ago
  Agreed, not sure the hate. I'd rather have a sweet bunker than a Yacht.
swader999 3y ago
Too bad Zuck, you broke the first rule of bunker building.
- rwmj 3y ago
  This is the bunker he wants us to know about. The real bunker is elsewhere?
rKarpinski 3y ago
At only 5k Sq feet, seems more like a basement than "Billionaire Bunker"
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  yeah, it really is trivial, but for some reason it really seems to strike a nerve with a lot of people. I think it triggers a lot of jealousy, somehow in a way that having a mansion or top doctors doesn't.
thefaux 3y ago
There is a fun book about this phenomenon called Survival of the Richest by Douglas Rushkoff. He met other billionaires who were planning to build apocalypse bunkers with private security forces, They were all flummoxed by his question: how will you prevent your security from turning on you when your money is worthless?
- pupppet 3y ago
  The security forces must have family and they agree to a kill-switch being embedded in their family members that only the billionaire has access to. End of days, leverage over family is all you got.
LMYahooTFY 3y ago
I suppose I'm glad there are people in the world who are so comfortable and carefree that they don't feel the need to prepare for disaster scenarios, nor can they conceive of scenarios between 'all is well' and 'total apocalypse'. But it's not crazy to be prepared. "Preppers" seemed to get a bad wrap because the ones you probably know are motivated by Alex Jones saying the Aliens are about to emerge from the mothership. Meanwhile, find someone who either came from a less comfortable country (Basically not a G20+ country), or find a person who's spent time there in some capacity (military/non-profit/private contractor) and ask them if it's crazy to have a cache/bunker with everything you need to survive for a month or 6. They're probably going to look at you and say "No, it's called being prepared. It's everyone else who's lost it." If you live in the US, you could find someone who lived through hurricane Katrina, a brutal Tornado, or other relatively isolated incidents. Ask them if storing 6 months worth of food and shelter is something only 'conspiracy theorists' would do. Many people got a glimpse of where things could go during Covid, and in the United States we didn't really begin to go down that path. If you want to keep so much faith in our supply chains, corporations, and debt loaded government that you place your family's disaster readiness in their hands then I invite you to read about any of the above.
1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
Almost seems like these misanthropes have a vested interest in seeing the collapse of society. The humanistic society into which they failed to assimilate. If nothing happens, this is no small of amount of time, money and effort that went into building these bunkers. Perhaps they will become museums.

30 points by MrJagil 3y ago

The Expanse S05E09 offers a valid scenario on what would happen to such a bunker (scavengers exploit their resources, with the employees inside helping them).

opine-at-random 3y ago

Why would it be so conspiratorial? These people are overwhelmingly responsible for the viciation of our world and societies, and claim the profits from it. An INT value only goes up to 2B, these people have orders of magnitude more money than that. Knowing our living planet's active course of destruction, this is literally the smartest way they could spend that money. The alternative is for them to have some kind of empathetic awakening, reorient their own existence and the existence of their enterprises, and recognize meaningful ways to spend their money... but if all the resource in the world couldn't give them that perspective, I doubt anything can. It's crazy, because they could build a world in which there where good ways to spend that money, or spend that money on the multitude of extant causes that could use it. But they would rather hoard wealth and steal the collective future of the planet (including their own, and their offspring), and then delusionally try to seclude themselves away. Their power only exists in the world they're bent on destroying.

sweettea 3y ago
Zuck is doing a great job of working to improve human life with his money, having promised to give away 99% of it, and making concrete steps to do so: https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-explains-giving-away-his-money-2015-12?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-explains-giv... https://www.statnews.com/2023/10/19/mark-zuckerberg-priscilla-chan-meta-czi-50-billion/ https://www.statnews.com/2023/10/19/mark-zuckerberg-priscill...
- zer00eyz 3y ago
  How about zuck spend some of that money to clean up the shit in his own house: https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/ https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/ You can't make a problem in one place, and do some good elsewhere and then call it even. Thats not how being responsible works. Dont sugar coat the man and his nonsense with a scant act of charity.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  > having promised to give away 99% of it That really feels like the emptiest of promises. "Oh, I'm going to give away all my money once I'm done living my life of impossible excess". They don't get points for that. They could give away a massive portion of it RIGHT NOW and be able to live in the exact same excess, but they won't. I won't give them credit for future promises that cost them nothing to make.
- latentcall 3y ago
  “I’ll give it all away one day… I promise!” He could give away 100% of his money and assets right now.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    More realistically (because 100% seems like a big ask), he could give away 99% of it right now and he'd still have enough for himself and his descendants to never have to work again.
- getpokedagain 3y ago
  This kind of thing just reeks of shortsightedness. Having one lucky prick who sure maybe worked a little hard maybe not decide what to do for humanity with his money that he won through predatory means is dumb. Garbage in garbage out, anyone who is focused on mind fucking the worlds population in order to get a little richer is not going to give away anything in an effective manner. When we stop having zuckerbergs, gates buffets and so on we probably will see improvement.
Radim 3y ago
You're not wrong, but more puzzling is that this is Zuckerberg's bunker. I mean, it takes a pretty dumb billionaire to not realize that when a real crisis hits, you'll be a sitting duck (mostly for your own guards / security), in your fancy bunker or forest ranch. That's more of a naive plan for your run-of-the-mill rich guy, the lower echelon of "rich". Mere $100M-1Bs. I always thought Zuck-level money gives you better options, such as building your own loyal community. At least village-sized and quite diverse. Which is what you really need when the shit hits the fan. But maybe Zuck's building that too? And the bunker only a red herring, a hedge for minor temporary hiccups.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  > I always thought Zuck-level money gives you better options, such as building your own loyal community Zuck-level money wouldn't matter in a situation where a bunker is needed though. In a post-money situation, Zuck doesn't have anything to offer compared to a random man, so nobody will have any reason to join and partake in his "village" plan. A really serious (or at least as close to serious as we can get when imagining apocalyptic scenarios) plan would be to stockpile goods/food/a means of production - those things are what's going to be valuable once shit hits the fan and might actually convince more people to join him.
  - Radim 3y ago
    > Zuck-level money wouldn't matter in a situation where a bunker is needed We're entertaining actions the rich take in preparation for a societal meltdown: build a bunker vs build a community. They take them now (hence the article). Starting to build a bunker (or a community) in a post-apo world would indeed be a little too late for Mr. Zuckerberg & co. > A really serious plan would be to stockpile goods/food/a means of production You need loyal people first and foremost. Leadership and trust. Otherwise disloyal people (historically, your own guards / companions) take whatever you've stockpiled. Yours is that Grade B strategy I was talking about. Your "goods/food/a means of production" are only useful insofar other powers uphold the overarching social structures & rules. To the extent that premise is fulfilled, I'd call such meltdown only a minor temporary hiccup. Beyond that, your stockpile and remote fortress is not much use. You need loyal people.

paxys 3y ago

> However, it’s essential to note that the majority of these assertions lack concrete evidence, raising questions about the validity of such widespread speculations. Meanwhile, here's some more wild speculation.. Internet journalism at its finest.

wmeredith 3y ago
It's not internet journalism. It's just journalism, or more accurately, Yellow journalism which has been a thing for as long as there has been industrialized media: at least since the 1890s[1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

electrondood 3y ago

Zuck started building without permits, and then when authorities tried to enforce the permit requirement he had those people fired. Scum. Also... your bright idea in an apocalypse is to isolate yourself on a remote island that already has problems shipping out resources?

gruez 3y ago
> Zuck started building without permits, and then when authorities tried to enforce the permit requirement he had those people fired. Source?

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago

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nickpinkston 3y ago
It's the opposite actually. By getting bullied, it drives some people to want to become rich / powerful as a fuck you to the bullies.
popcalc 3y ago
Do you realize that you're not on 4chan right now?
jprete 3y ago
I have no idea how you could think that bullying generates empathy. Bullying doesn't make people more empathetic, it makes them angry and vengeful. Your suggestion will do nothing but damage.

Tangurena2 3y ago

New Zealand has been the traditional home for billionaires' bunkers. This is just a first for Hawaii. His abuse of the legal system to force neighbors to "sell" to him should have been a warning sign. When do we get to see the white cat with a diamond necklace?

voisin 3y ago
> His abuse of the legal system to force neighbors to "sell" to him What did he do?
- rwmj 3y ago
  https://www.wired.com/story/mark-zuckerberg-inside-hawaii-compound/ https://www.wired.com/story/mark-zuckerberg-inside-hawaii-co...
gruez 3y ago
>This is just a first for Hawaii. His abuse of the legal system to force neighbors to "sell" to him should have been a warning sign. Can you elaborate on this? I did some searching and turned up this: https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/19/zuckerbergs-moving-in-there-goes-the-neighborhood/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/19/zuckerbergs-moving-in... which seems far more reasonable than your characterization. From what I can tell it's equivalent to doing a title search, and asking the state to declare that there's no competing ownership interests.

jkea 3y ago

Why spend all this money to build bunkers in likely the first places to be fully underwater when global catastrophes/climate shit goes down? Lol. I'd build mine in the middle of Wyoming or something.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
You realize Hawaii is made up of mountains, correct?
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jl6 3y ago
Depending on what the threat is, underwater could offer an additional layer of protection?
neilk 3y ago
Plot twist: the Hawaii bunker is just the decoy bunker
Zambyte 3y ago
> all this money All what money? Scaled for a net worth of 100k, this would cost less than $200.
the_third_wave 3y ago
In general it is better to act as those who tell you things are going to be a certain way do, not as they say. That means it is unlikely for e.g. Martha's Vineyard to end up fully underwater when global catastrophes/climate shit goes down given the fact that the Obamas moved there to a property which lies about 4 metres (13 ft.) above the high tide line. With an average sea level rise of 3 mm/year it will take a while for the island to be flooded.

nytesky 3y ago

Who wants to stick around through the apocalypse? What event would be a) well in advance with time to transit to NZ or Hawaii b) require a bunker rather than just isolating in your estate and c) what is the long game assuming society collapses?

dist-epoch 3y ago
Global nuclear war, pandemic with fatality rate >25%, AI take over.
- pc86 3y ago
  Presumably the AI will know where all the bunkers are, unless some of these billionaires are so paranoid they make the contractors use all paper records. Come to think of it, probably at least one or two are that paranoid.
  - dist-epoch 3y ago
    Sure, but you still have a better chance in NZ than in US. And you'll still have to deal with the other people panicking in an AI scenario. Maybe the AI doesn't particularly care about you, but civilization still collapses.
  - nytesky 3y ago
    Can you imagine the complexity of hiding a bunker digitally? Starts with paper records. Then no phones on crew working the site, no gps devices probably, surveillance satellite records would need to be avoided… on and on.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  What AI? ChatGPT? Is the final remnant of humanity going to be a blinking prompt on a screen in the blackened ruins of a dead civilization? Or is Skynet out there already and we just don't know about it?
kypro 3y ago
If you're wealthy and civilisation collapses then nothing is preventing you from emerging as a monarch if you wish. Assuming you have enough guns, food and personal you'll basically be able to do whatever the hell you want in a lawless society.

Voultapher 3y ago

Cory Doctorow has a fictional novella about this https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250242334/masqueofthereddeath https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250242334/masqueoftheredd... > It's the story of a plute who brings his pals to his luxury bunker during civlizational collapse in the expectation of emerging once others have rebuilt.

corbet 3y ago
"The Future" by Naomi Alderman also explores this space, with some familiar-seeming characters; a good read.

dist-epoch 3y ago

I've always wondered how will you ensure the guards don't take over the complex in an apocalypse. Training in MMA fighting would certainly increase your chances. Or quickly adapting mobster mentality.

dylan604 3y ago
based on news, sounds precisely like what the Zuck is doing. he has enough money to pay them for their loyalty, and he's already challenging other billionaires to cage fights sooo...
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  Money would become meaningless once society collapses. Things like food and shelter would be more valuable... but as guards they're already inside the bunker and have access to those, so why would they need Zuck?
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Gotta have a leader of some sort, so why not the ruthless leader of the company that helped destroy civilization?
- spacecadet 3y ago
  lol what a tool...
pc86 3y ago
Presumably the guards can bring their families, and the punishment of leaving the bunker (or worse) for everyone would be enough to keep them in line for at least a little while. Makes for a good movie plot though!
spacecadet 3y ago
lol mma skills... the man does not fight, he will never be able to. Just learning some "skills" and spa'ing is not actual fighting and is nothing the same. Mob bosses rarely use skill to extol violence. So I agree, step 1 is to "demonstrate" who is in charge...

skizm 3y ago

If I had more money than I knew what to do with, designing and building a bunker would be a fun side-project.

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kuchenbecker 3y ago
Agreed, not sure the hate. I'd rather have a sweet bunker than a Yacht.

swader999 3y ago

Too bad Zuck, you broke the first rule of bunker building.

rwmj 3y ago
This is the bunker he wants us to know about. The real bunker is elsewhere?

rKarpinski 3y ago

At only 5k Sq feet, seems more like a basement than "Billionaire Bunker"

s1artibartfast 3y ago
yeah, it really is trivial, but for some reason it really seems to strike a nerve with a lot of people. I think it triggers a lot of jealousy, somehow in a way that having a mansion or top doctors doesn't.

thefaux 3y ago

There is a fun book about this phenomenon called Survival of the Richest by Douglas Rushkoff. He met other billionaires who were planning to build apocalypse bunkers with private security forces, They were all flummoxed by his question: how will you prevent your security from turning on you when your money is worthless?

pupppet 3y ago
The security forces must have family and they agree to a kill-switch being embedded in their family members that only the billionaire has access to. End of days, leverage over family is all you got.

LMYahooTFY 3y ago

I suppose I'm glad there are people in the world who are so comfortable and carefree that they don't feel the need to prepare for disaster scenarios, nor can they conceive of scenarios between 'all is well' and 'total apocalypse'. But it's not crazy to be prepared. "Preppers" seemed to get a bad wrap because the ones you probably know are motivated by Alex Jones saying the Aliens are about to emerge from the mothership. Meanwhile, find someone who either came from a less comfortable country (Basically not a G20+ country), or find a person who's spent time there in some capacity (military/non-profit/private contractor) and ask them if it's crazy to have a cache/bunker with everything you need to survive for a month or 6. They're probably going to look at you and say "No, it's called being prepared. It's everyone else who's lost it." If you live in the US, you could find someone who lived through hurricane Katrina, a brutal Tornado, or other relatively isolated incidents. Ask them if storing 6 months worth of food and shelter is something only 'conspiracy theorists' would do. Many people got a glimpse of where things could go during Covid, and in the United States we didn't really begin to go down that path. If you want to keep so much faith in our supply chains, corporations, and debt loaded government that you place your family's disaster readiness in their hands then I invite you to read about any of the above.

1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago

Almost seems like these misanthropes have a vested interest in seeing the collapse of society. The humanistic society into which they failed to assimilate. If nothing happens, this is no small of amount of time, money and effort that went into building these bunkers. Perhaps they will become museums.