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> can help level as much as is necessary in Yemen and that mission is accomplished when shipping insurance rates return to what they were before. Ah yes, becau

> can help level as much as is necessary in Yemen and that mission is accomplished when shipping insurance rates return to what they were before. Ah yes, because stupid ship insurance rates are more important than human lives in Yemen, nothing new to be honest, we know how the "human rights" world values human lives in Iraq with Abu gharib and the proxy war in Syria to the active genocide in Palestine. As long as its not Europeans or Americans getting attacked it's "complex" and "blackmail".

baz00 3y ago
I don't think many people give a crap if I'm honest, at least in Europe. I'll be honest and say I don't. The whole Middle East has done a lot of repetitional damage to itself over the last 20 years by bringing its politics to us in Europe in the form of killing citizens. When it starts using those tactics in home territories against allies we're insensitive to their position. As much as this sucks, Yemen is another Middle East shit show. And it's not a shit show we should expend anything further on other than protecting our shipping lanes. I wish it could have been better but the damage is done. I'd rather everyone just stopped being nut jobs and blowing each other up respectively. And I don't think we should get involved in Middle Eastern politics, just distance ourselves from it.
- jacooper 3y ago
  Man, if the west completely left the middle east, almost all of the "shit shows" wouldn't exist. The occupation wouldn't exist, the zombie state in Iraq wouldn't exist, and much more. Please just leave it alone!
  - baz00 3y ago
    Oh completely. I'm also 100% fed up of my tax money being spent on stupid attempts to unfuck it.
  - edanm 3y ago
    > The occupation wouldn't exist, If you meant the Israeli occupation, you're wrong. Israel isn't "The West" and isn't able "to leave" in the same way that e.g. the US could leave Afghanistan. This is true both in terms of Israelis having mostly nowhere else to go, and also in that the majority of Israelis aren't Westerners in the first place.
    - jacooper 3y ago
      > If you meant the Israeli occupation, you're wrong. Israel isn't "The West" and isn't able "to leave" It won't leave it will just be defeated. > the majority of Israelis aren't Westerners in the first place. Not true, especially when taking into account that it's the "country" with the highest dual citizenship percentage in the world.
      - edanm 3y ago
        Not sure why you're putting the word country in quotes - it is a country. As for dual citizenship, it might be large, but it's still estimated at only 10% if the population. And that includes lots of people with citizenship in countries that they have no connection to at all.
      - tptacek 3y ago
        Israel has a population of roughly 9.3MM people. Of those, a little over 2.0MM are Israeli Arabs. Arabs are the largest ethnic minority in Israel. Among Israeli Jewish people, over half are Mizrahi. They're the former Jewish residents of Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and other MENA countries. It is not possible that the majority of Israelis are westerners; you can't possibly make those numbers work. It would be like trying to claim the majority of Americans are Irish.
      - stale2002 3y ago
        > It won't leave it will just be defeated. They have nukes. They aren't going away. Ever. And in some absurd world where their existence actually is threatened, they'd take out the countries trying to destroy them along with them.
alkonaut 3y ago
I was deliberatly being a bit pointy in the wording, but yes that's what I'm saying. Note: this isn't about oil in Iraq or exterminating terrorism in Afghanistan. The civilian lives on those ships are exactly as civilian as civilians in Yemen. This isn't about some US war in a foreign country. This is about either not stopping attacks on civilian merchant ships, or stopping attacks on merchant ships.
- jacooper 3y ago
  Except the ship could just not go to Israel, you know that's an option right?
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Ships not owned by nor going to Israel have been attacked.
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    Even ships going to or from Israel aren't acceptable targets in any way shape or form (Also I don't think only ships going to/from Israel have been targeted, but that's beside the point)
  - ithkuil 3y ago
    Let's assume for a moment that Houthis are in good faith only attacking ships that are going to Israel. How good is their intelligence? How likely is it that they may hit some innocent civilian as collateral damage? Would that even matter or since "the West" has hit civilians as collateral damage in the past (and being criticized for that) Houthis can do it too (without being criticized)?

baz00 3y ago

I don't think many people give a crap if I'm honest, at least in Europe. I'll be honest and say I don't. The whole Middle East has done a lot of repetitional damage to itself over the last 20 years by bringing its politics to us in Europe in the form of killing citizens. When it starts using those tactics in home territories against allies we're insensitive to their position. As much as this sucks, Yemen is another Middle East shit show. And it's not a shit show we should expend anything further on other than protecting our shipping lanes. I wish it could have been better but the damage is done. I'd rather everyone just stopped being nut jobs and blowing each other up respectively. And I don't think we should get involved in Middle Eastern politics, just distance ourselves from it.

jacooper 3y ago
Man, if the west completely left the middle east, almost all of the "shit shows" wouldn't exist. The occupation wouldn't exist, the zombie state in Iraq wouldn't exist, and much more. Please just leave it alone!
- baz00 3y ago
  Oh completely. I'm also 100% fed up of my tax money being spent on stupid attempts to unfuck it.
- edanm 3y ago
  > The occupation wouldn't exist, If you meant the Israeli occupation, you're wrong. Israel isn't "The West" and isn't able "to leave" in the same way that e.g. the US could leave Afghanistan. This is true both in terms of Israelis having mostly nowhere else to go, and also in that the majority of Israelis aren't Westerners in the first place.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    > If you meant the Israeli occupation, you're wrong. Israel isn't "The West" and isn't able "to leave" It won't leave it will just be defeated. > the majority of Israelis aren't Westerners in the first place. Not true, especially when taking into account that it's the "country" with the highest dual citizenship percentage in the world.
    - edanm 3y ago
      Not sure why you're putting the word country in quotes - it is a country. As for dual citizenship, it might be large, but it's still estimated at only 10% if the population. And that includes lots of people with citizenship in countries that they have no connection to at all.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      Israel has a population of roughly 9.3MM people. Of those, a little over 2.0MM are Israeli Arabs. Arabs are the largest ethnic minority in Israel. Among Israeli Jewish people, over half are Mizrahi. They're the former Jewish residents of Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and other MENA countries. It is not possible that the majority of Israelis are westerners; you can't possibly make those numbers work. It would be like trying to claim the majority of Americans are Irish.
    - stale2002 3y ago
      > It won't leave it will just be defeated. They have nukes. They aren't going away. Ever. And in some absurd world where their existence actually is threatened, they'd take out the countries trying to destroy them along with them.

alkonaut 3y ago

I was deliberatly being a bit pointy in the wording, but yes that's what I'm saying. Note: this isn't about oil in Iraq or exterminating terrorism in Afghanistan. The civilian lives on those ships are exactly as civilian as civilians in Yemen. This isn't about some US war in a foreign country. This is about either not stopping attacks on civilian merchant ships, or stopping attacks on merchant ships.

jacooper 3y ago
Except the ship could just not go to Israel, you know that's an option right?
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Ships not owned by nor going to Israel have been attacked.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  Even ships going to or from Israel aren't acceptable targets in any way shape or form (Also I don't think only ships going to/from Israel have been targeted, but that's beside the point)
- ithkuil 3y ago
  Let's assume for a moment that Houthis are in good faith only attacking ships that are going to Israel. How good is their intelligence? How likely is it that they may hit some innocent civilian as collateral damage? Would that even matter or since "the West" has hit civilians as collateral damage in the past (and being criticized for that) Houthis can do it too (without being criticized)?