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Long Covid causes changes in body that make exercise debilitating – study

25 points by robaato 3y ago

andreareina 3y ago
Study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3
ljf 3y ago
Good to have more proof of the changes that people have been talking about for some time. My wife has/had long covid - she's over her worst but as this says she finds exercise exhausting - which frustrates her immensely as she was working out 4 days a week before covid and the fittest she had ever been. But the bigger frustration was continually being told it was all in her head and the dismissal of her symptoms by some doctors (and by random online). Just hope this can lead to treatments and ways to mitigate damage in future long covid patients.
- perrygeo 3y ago
  My observation: Most medical professionals were trained in the "exercise is a unequivocal good" mentality - If you can't do it, just work harder and the work will eventually pay off. The problem with CFS/ME/LongCovid is that exercise dosage needs to be controlled carefully. More like a drug where overdosing can cause debilitating side effects and a regression in primary symptoms. If doctors treated rx drug side effects this way ("ah you're fine, just keep taking the pills, pop as many as you can.") they'd be doing severe harm.
RecycledEle 3y ago
If a sci-fi author wanted to imagine a bio weapon that would prevent a nation from raising a military, this is exactly what such an author would come up with.
- namaria 3y ago
  > a nation Now the author just has to think of a reason why viruses would respect borders
- thenerdhead 3y ago
  As someone with long covid, this is actually a brilliant concept for a book.
mitchbob 3y ago
More discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38867336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38867336
reify 3y ago
Why is there no mention of whether or not the test subjects had been vaccinated. The experts have their say: Experts say they have evidence that biological changes are to blame, such as severe muscle damage, mitochondrial problems and the presence of microclots in the body. How do we know that the vaccine did not cause the same symptoms? Surely, only then we could put this thinking to bed and move on. For balance I would like to see the same research done on those who have had the vaccine. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3

25 points by robaato 3y ago

Study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3

ljf 3y ago

Good to have more proof of the changes that people have been talking about for some time. My wife has/had long covid - she's over her worst but as this says she finds exercise exhausting - which frustrates her immensely as she was working out 4 days a week before covid and the fittest she had ever been. But the bigger frustration was continually being told it was all in her head and the dismissal of her symptoms by some doctors (and by random online). Just hope this can lead to treatments and ways to mitigate damage in future long covid patients.

perrygeo 3y ago
My observation: Most medical professionals were trained in the "exercise is a unequivocal good" mentality - If you can't do it, just work harder and the work will eventually pay off. The problem with CFS/ME/LongCovid is that exercise dosage needs to be controlled carefully. More like a drug where overdosing can cause debilitating side effects and a regression in primary symptoms. If doctors treated rx drug side effects this way ("ah you're fine, just keep taking the pills, pop as many as you can.") they'd be doing severe harm.

RecycledEle 3y ago

If a sci-fi author wanted to imagine a bio weapon that would prevent a nation from raising a military, this is exactly what such an author would come up with.

namaria 3y ago
> a nation Now the author just has to think of a reason why viruses would respect borders
thenerdhead 3y ago
As someone with long covid, this is actually a brilliant concept for a book.

mitchbob 3y ago

More discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38867336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38867336

reify 3y ago

Why is there no mention of whether or not the test subjects had been vaccinated. The experts have their say: Experts say they have evidence that biological changes are to blame, such as severe muscle damage, mitochondrial problems and the presence of microclots in the body. How do we know that the vaccine did not cause the same symptoms? Surely, only then we could put this thinking to bed and move on. For balance I would like to see the same research done on those who have had the vaccine. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44432-3