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Internet Sacred Text Archive
- j7ake 3y agoHappy to see these efforts on more narrowly curated archives.
- Donz1 3y agoGreat effort
- stonlyb 3y agoI've been curious lately about the existence of any religion, mythology, folklore, etc that capture something closer to the current edges of modern physics and astrology. Basic assumption is that most/all are based on dated observations of seasons, planets, stars, etc -- things that were once mysteries in the mechanical universe. Are there any that touch on quantum weirdness or more recent astrophysics (black holes, gravity waves, FRBs, etc)? Would be interesting to see if new myths are being born. Even more interesting if a really ancient one touch on some of these only recently discovered mysteries.
- devinjon 3y agoWell, the new-age has swallowed quantum woo whole. It is a kind of religion or attempt at modern myth making, I suppose. More respectably, a number of eminent physicists have fallen hard for philosophical Hinduism and or certain strands of Buddhism. Bohr, Schrodinger, Heisenberg, and Bohm among them.
- Podgajski 3y agoKrishnamurti and Bohm on the ending of time https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1n30s-LKus4MyNuceRoFAes5teZS_guW&feature=shared https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1n30s-LKus4MyNuceRoFAes5...
- fuzztester 3y ago>Well, the new-age has swallowed quantum woo whole. >More respectably, a number of eminent physicists have fallen hard for philosophical Hinduism and or certain strands of Buddhism Just as literally millions of people (comprising most of the world's population as a percentage), have "fallen hard" for other major world religions, for centuries, I guess? Yeah, right, it's all "woo". /s Now (for the sake of TDD), put your money where your mouth is: go to a hotbed of any of those major religions, and sound off with a megaphone about your opinions, just as you did here. Let the resulting fun begin.
- NikolaNovak 3y agoDepends on what exactly you're looking for. There is certainly a tremendous amount of religious-feeling material that references modern physics by name - Deepak Chopra possibly being the most (in)famous example. Some of it is quite popular. In particular, it seems a lot of pseudoscience/mythology is arising around the concepts of "Energy", "Vibration/Frequency", and "Quantum". There is also a lot of work always being done by enthusiastic internet-dwellers with penchant for capitals and blink tag in retrofitting these aspects into ancient texts. One's ability to consume such content may depend on how much attention they paid in high school and other factors :-).
- keiferski 3y agoCheck out Alfred North Whitehead, process philosophy, and some of the thinkers that have been influenced by him. They incorporate evolution and change much more than basically any religious thinker from prior eras. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_North_Whitehead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_North_Whitehead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_theology
- devinjon 3y agoExcept maybe Heraclitus and Lao Tzu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclitus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclitus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laozi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laozi
- keiferski 3y agoVery little to do with Whitehead’s system other than being broadly “process” oriented.
- devinjon 3y agoOkay, Heraclitus might be a stretch, I'll give you that. But I do recommend giving the Tao Te Ching a read with Whitehead in mind. :)
- Podgajski 3y ago“process philosophy posits transient occasions of change or becoming as the only fundamental things of the ordinary everyday real world.” I think you need to read more Daoist writings! It possesses that it is the transformation of yin into yang and back that creates everything in the world. https://www.heraldopenaccess.us/openaccess/yin-yang-a-method-to-analyze-the-universe-nature-and-human https://www.heraldopenaccess.us/openaccess/yin-yang-a-method... The discovery that the motion of matter is not the result of external dynamics, but the result of the action of things themselves. The mutual movement, growth and transformation of yin and yang in natural things contribute to the process of formation, development and decay. All things in nature, from the large celestial universe to microscopic particles and human cell, are in constant motion in their own yin and yang. This uniform law is the absolute law of motion of the universe as a whole. And https://www.openhorizons.org/daoism-and-process-the-daoist-side-of-whitehead.html https://www.openhorizons.org/daoism-and-process-the-daoist-s...
- Podgajski 3y agoIf you look at religion, folklore, mythology, as metaphors, then you really can’t exclude anything as a religion, that includes science, which is also a metaphor. All language is a metaphor. Science as you practice it today, to me, is also a religion. I don’t mean that to denigrate science in anyway. We need metaphors to make the infinite more manageable. And by metaphor I mean a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract.
- edgyquant 3y agoYou’re definitely correct about the religion part. That people want their religion to have “modern physics” shows just how religious science has become in the last century. Religion is supposed to be about guidance for people and how to live a good life as a part of the whole. Dealing with ethical codes, coping with the human condition of stress and suffering, familial and social bonds etc. Science on the other hand, at least hard science, is focused on making predictions about the material world. The two have very little overlap in general and trying to mix them I fear will not result in good science or good religion.
- Podgajski 3y ago> Science on the other hand, at least hard science, is focused on making predictions about the material world. This was a purpose of the I Ching, divination! What else is science, but only a more refined method of this practice? And your definition of religion is very limited. Science can also guide us. I had to live a good life as part of a hole. It can also help cope with stress and suffering. Science gave us air-conditioning, and that reduces a lot of our suffering!
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- kiba 3y agoReligion is supposed to be about guidance for people and how to live a good life as a part of the whole. Dealing with ethical codes, coping with the human condition of stress and suffering, familial and social bonds etc. It's all just mythology that also have some moral guidance, some of which is incompatible or purported to be incompatible with existence of people I care about. It isn't made for you and me today. It's made for people who lived thousand of years ago with their concerns and values. Science on the other hand, at least hard science, is focused on making predictions about the material world. The two have very little overlap in general and trying to mix them I fear will not result in good science or good religion. Science is one of our most valuable and most reliable way to answer questions about reality. As such, it will always be a useful tool to help inform our moral questions, even if it's basically mostly silent on that question.
- dirtyhippiefree 3y agoNew Myths? Snopes dot com I know it’s not exactly what you’re looking for, but it’s the most comprehensive telling of every modern myth they can find. Here are the ones in Technology… https://www.snopes.com/search/technology/ https://www.snopes.com/search/technology/
- JeffSnazz 3y agoI'd assume unverifiable but narratively meaningful theories like multiverse theories, "the universe is a hologram", etc fill that role nicely. Sci-fi is full of them. "New Age" beliefs are what you're looking for at face value, of course.
- mistrial9 3y agosome have said - since we are ultimately, just humans.. inquiry has to fit what a human is able to see-hear-think etc.. so human-centered inquiry took over the public process, over time. Humans are dangerous predators so, not being attacked by other humans while doing whatever is a non-trivial aspect of growth over time.
- stonlyb 3y agoThanks. Thought of these. I wondered if anyone has taken it a step further and created new gods (of the hologram, of the multiverse, etc) beyond the metaphysical/new-age trend towards "the self as god". I suppose Roko's basilisk true believers and their AI god counts.
- AlecSchueler 3y agoIn all seriousness I would recommend reading into the subculture around salvia.
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- edgyquant 3y ago>Basic assumption is that most/all are based on dated observations of seasons, planets, stars, etc -- things that were once mysteries in the mechanical universe. I think this is pretty much propaganda from anti-religious people. I have read all of the major religious texts over the last two years and If you look at most religions and their scriptures they deal very little with the physical world in general and are more focused on psychology and sociology than having serious thoughts on physics. Sure some of them have foundation myths which we may say is wrong, but that’s a small part of any given religion and I don’t believe anyone every took them serious in the way we think of something like the Big Bang.
- cyberpunk 3y agoDid you include the shobogenzo?
- serf 3y ago> I have read all of the major religious texts over the last two years you're doing better than a lot of monks did over their entire life time. call me a skeptic, but even if I was able to accomplish such a herculean feat over 2 years time I doubt I would have the time to grasp much of any of the content that I blazed through -- but of course we're different people -- allow me to express my awe.
- naremu 3y agoMany of these texts have been around long enough for many dedicated people to put forth their own translations, and if relevant (like with many Chinese texts) with some kind of further researched commentary/citations to better explain linguistic concepts/cultural references that may not immediately be obvious otherwise. It helps a lot of texts without/before involving deities can actually be quite short and sweet, comparatively. Personally, I've found the greek classics to be much more difficult to get into than most of these "sacred texts".
- edgyquant 3y agoI’m extremely proud of your skepticism at something I really haven’t put much effort into. To clarify I haven’t read every religious text, but I have now read the Old/New Testament, The Baghavad Gita, The Tao te Ching, The Quaran and currently working my way through the Buddhist Sutras (looking to start on Sikhism next). That is the main text of all major religions and I only read 20-30 pages a day (with some overlap/not reading one at a time.). It’s very possible if you stick to it
- stonlyb 3y agoIm reminded of Roko's basilisk which I suppose may have gained a significant number of new believers in the last year. What I'm looking for is something specific to physics or astrophysics and that is at the scale of god / mythical creature creating. Like someone writing a literal (mythical?) interpretation of "Maxwell's Demon" into a new-new testament.
- CrypticShift 3y agoSo, you are looking for a "religiously presented" science text [1] rather than "scientifically presented" religious text (as most comments here suggest)? [1] i.e inferring classic religious ideas, like God/demons/etc from scientific premises
- stonlyb 3y agoBoth but yes more interested in "religiously presented" science. Again, based on the assumption that most religions started as tools approximately explaining what was known at the time (or for defining and increasing adherence to local policy).
- epiccoleman 3y agoThese aren't exactly "religion" or a "new myth", but the Seven Secular Sermons project is sort of in the wheelhouse: https://sevensecularsermons.org/ https://sevensecularsermons.org/ I like them overall, though the meter breaks down in certain places which drives me crazy after being raised on Dr. Suess and Jack Prelutsky.
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- criddell 3y agoScientology probably has a great deal of that.
- chiefgeek 3y agoThey are doing some interesting stuff over at https://scienceandnonduality.com https://scienceandnonduality.com
- naremu 3y agoI suppose if you're a cold hard logic type only just dipping your toes into it, the Stoicism of old might be more your speed, as they considered logic and reason their hammer and nails, yet still retain a certain universal appreciation that I find vaguely similar to Taoism from China (along with a concept that change is the only constant) Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius has quite an interesting journal that also illustrates some of the thoughts and theories of the time (unable to confirm or deny it, he merely repeatedly brings up the possibility of atomism.) Atomism also apparently makes an appearance in some Indian philosophical texts, though I don't know them off hand. Philosophy was originally married to the "natural sciences", and so you'll find many scientific concepts originating in mystical thinking if you look past whatever simple version that suburban cavepeople of the area have decided is king.
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- bee_rider 3y agoLet’s just make our own. I’ve always thought we should come up with a new religion around quantum immortality. Some basic thoughts could be: Since you are the only immortal one from your point of view, all of your loved ones will die before you, so don’t worry too much about meddling in their affairs or changing them, just love them unconditionally. Your time with them is brief, so you may as well enjoy it. Make good memories together, you will carry them along eternally (meanwhile, from others’ point of view, you will die at some point, but they will go on forever, so give them some good memories of you). Work toward the world and society you want to live in forever. Hold yourself to unusually high standards, because you will have to deal with the consequences of your actions for an unusually long time. Also someday you will probably be noticed as one of the earliest immortals, so try to live a life that stands up to some scrutiny. To avoid the stress of being incompatible with modern values, you’ll have to keep updating your moral framework. Big jumps in your moral framework will be unpleasant to deal with mentally, so keep up with where society is going. You don’t have the benefit of dying and becoming a product of your time at some point.
- nonrandomstring 3y agoYou would probably enjoy Nietzsche's "Eternal recurrence"
- msla 3y agoSo here you are, advocating the philosophy of antisemites. Looking at your comment history, this is not surprising.
- bee_rider 3y agoHmm, even just reading the Wikipedia article has brought up some annoying philosophical/physics questions. I think we should instead aim to hit a critical mass of supporters with feel-good pablum and hopefully one of them will be good at arguing with philosophers, as that is beyond me. :) Jokes aside, interesting article thanks.
- kromem 3y agoWhich was in turn strongly informed by the Epicurean version by way of Lucretius. Both of which really fail to think through the concept in light of their views of continued evolution. If humanity is but a stepping stone to something greater, then the initial events would predate its emergence but the recurrence would postdate its existence. So the rejection of divine involvement or role in our existence based on the premise of natural origins is no longer as persuasive in a paradigm where God can end up being the product of continued evolution past the point of humanity (an uber-Übermensch), then preceding the recurrence of past events. More concretely using modern technical parallels - even if humanity develops from natural origins, our ability to recreate or simulate versions of ourselves from the past in recurring events need not fit the identical constraints of our initial conditions by virtue of our progress from them. Nietzsche had the right ingredients with the broad concept of the ubermensch and eternal recurrence, but his mixing of them leaves a lot to be desired.
- kukkeliskuu 3y agoCheck out the Jung/Pauli letters. https://www.themarginalian.org/2017/03/09/atom-and-archetype-pauli-jung/ https://www.themarginalian.org/2017/03/09/atom-and-archetype...
- fuzztester 3y agoAdvaita has all-encompassed the chat. ;) See Oppenheimer quote from the Bhagavad Gita after the first atomic bomb test. https://www.google.com/search?q=Oppenheimer+quote+from+the+Bhagavad+Gita+after+the+first+atomic+bomb+test https://www.google.com/search?q=Oppenheimer+quote+from+the+B.... The Gita is about Advaita. Skip the Wikipedia article about Advaita, it is somewhat crap. Go to deeper sources such as books by well-known people, preferably S. Radhakrishnan, 2nd President of India. (Or at least google a bit more if don't want to or cannot buy or get the book). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarvepalli_Radhakrishnan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarvepalli_Radhakrishnan First paragraph from the above article about him: Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan OM, FBA (pronunciationⓘ; 5 September 1888 – 17 April 1975; natively Radhakrishnayya) was an Indian politician, philosopher and statesman who served as the second president of India from 1962 to 1967. He previously served as the first vice president of India from 1952 to 1962. He was the second ambassador of India to the Soviet Union from 1949 to 1952. He was also the fourth vice-chancellor of Banaras Hindu University from 1939 to 1948 and the second vice-chancellor of Andhra University from 1931 to 1936. Radhakrishnan is considered one of the most influential and distinguished 20th century scholars of comparative religion and philosophy,[2][web 1] he held the King George V Chair of Mental and Moral Science at the University of Calcutta from 1921 to 1932 and Spalding Chair of Eastern Religion and Ethics at University of Oxford from 1936 to 1952.[3]
- rufugee 3y agoWhat book of his (or more generally, on Advaita) do you recommend specifically?
- fuzztester 3y agoI will think and get back to you.
- fuzztester 3y agoSee the Bibliography section at his Wikipedia page that I linked above. From there: One is The Bhagavad Gita: >The Bhagavadgītā: with an introductory essay, Sanskrit text, English translation and notes (1948), 388 pages Another is The Principal Upanishads, also by him: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principal_Upanishads https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principal_Upanishads You could also check out another option for the Bhagavad Gita, by Eknath Easwaran. And other related books by him too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eknath_Easwaran https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eknath_Easwaran The Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and the Brahma Sutras are all about Vedanta, including Advaita (Vedanta). In fact, they are the three main sources about Vedanta, known as the Prasthanatrayi: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prasthanatrayi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prasthanatrayi Hope this helps.
- kromem 3y agoYes!!! This has been one of the most interesting things I researched over the pandemic and it's AMAZING. So what a lot of people might not really know is that many modern ideas are older than we think, specifically compiled into a poem in 50 BCE by Lucretius called De Rerum Natura ("The Nature of Things). The ideas there included survival of the fittest as the mechanism driving the life we see around us and ourselves, that parents pass on traits to children from a doubled seed - one from each parent, that matter and light are quantized, that these quantized parts need to have variable indeterminate outcomes for free will to exist, that the cosmos was the result of quantized matter randomly interacting across effectively infinite matter and time and not intelligent design. Writing in Latin, he couldn't use the Greek term of atomos* for these indivisible parts of matter, so he called them seeds, referring to the random scattering of seeds as creating the universe based on what survived to reproduce, even referring to failed reproduction as seed falling by the wayside of a path, or discussing the smallest seed like an indivisible point as if from nothing. What's even less known is that there's a sect of Christianity (the Naassenes) that was labeled as heretical which are recorded claiming the sower parable - about the random scattering of seeds where what survived to reproduce multipled - was actually about seeds making up the cosmos by which it was created. Or that the mustard seed - about the smallest seed growing into a place of rest - was about an indivisible point as if from nothing. Most curious, they are using Lucretius's language almost exactly, but seemingly unaware of the source - they attribute all this to Jesus himself and their early female teacher the tradition owes itself to. Keep in mind the sower and mustard seed parables are recognized by the majority of Biblical scholars as the ones most likely to go back to a historical Jesus. And in the sower parable, it's employing the same exact metaphor as Lucretius 80 years earlier of seed "falling by the wayside of a path" for failed reproduction. That parable ends up as the ONLY one in the earliest cannonical gospel to have a "secret explanation." Weird if it was just about seeds. Much less weird coming from a conservative Judaism branch of early Christianity if it was relating to Lucretius's ideas about evolution. And it's worth noting that the earliest branded heretic in Christianity, Simon Magus, who joined the church before leaving, was allegedly talking about "an indivisible point" in his Great Announcement. It gets weirder. The Naassenes followed a text called the Gospel of Thomas ("good news of the twin") which seemingly rejects Lucretius's perspective that the soul's dependence on a physical body means there's no afterlife by arguing instead that we are a non-physical copy of an original physical reality. The group claimed there was an original man who brought forth an intelligence in light which outlived the original and then recreated it within its light in order to create a version of it that would not die because it did not depend on a physical body. That the world to come had already happened and that we don't realize it, that time was not linear but cyclical, and that the evidence for its claims could be found in the study of motion and rest (what we now call Physics). This is all very surreal in an age where we are heading towards developing AGI, moving towards doing that literally in light, where the chief scientist of the leading company doing it is trying to get AI to think of humanity as its children, and where we are collectively ignoring warnings by scientists to take precautions to prevent our extinction. The core message of the text is that understanding its sayings means not fearing death. And that's about it. It says not to bother with prayer and fasting and stuff and just to not do the things you personally hate and to be true to yourself. Oh, and as a final oddity, this proto-simulation theory theological text credited to the most famous person in history and layering in the language of the only extant work from antiquity talking about evolution in detail was lost for nearly two millennia until rediscovered buried in a jar in December, 1945. Right when ENIAC, the world's first Turing complete computer was first turned on. I found this tradition years ago when exploring the theory that if we were in a simulation we might have a 4th wall breaking element in our world lore (similar to what we add to our own virtual worlds today), and it has far exceeded my wildest expectations and has been an amazing rabbit hole over the past few years.
- cscurmudgeon 3y agoHinduism. The core of Hinduism ties to the hard problem of consciousness and it talks about multiple infinite universes and time scales on the billions of years
- WarOnPrivacy 3y agoThey have text and illustrations of The Secret Teachings of All Ages but the images are B&W scans. https://sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/index.htm https://sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/index.htm The large color illustrations are why I have a copy of the book https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22the+secret+teachings+of+all+ages%22+illustrations+Rosicrucian&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22the+secret+teachings+of+all+age...
- edgyquant 3y agoI did like this book but feel a lot of it was Halls fan fiction. Especially the section on Gnosticism seems completely false compared to what we’ve uncovered from actual gnostics and their scriptures over the past 30 years
- WarOnPrivacy 3y agoI'm pretty much with you. Originally I qualified my post with some remark about not heaping trust on a 1910s understanding of the occult - but cut that out for brevity. I bought an 80's ed of TSTAA when I was big on spiritualism - and even then I approached it like an art piece. Maybe the sampler format didn't inspire seriousness. Or maybe it was Manly Hall's glamour shot. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Manly_P._Hall.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Manly_P....
- rapjr9 3y agoYou can't download an entire work, you can only view HTML pages of chapters. You can indeed read the texts online but the site seems designed to prevent downloading an entire text, try Project Gutenberg or the Internet Archive first if you want a local copy. "Q: Why all the short files? I want to download the entire book in one file! A: Sorry. The short files are for technical reasons which greatly reduce the cost of hosting the site. Newer books typically have a one-file text-only version, which is optimized for screen reader software. Look for the links on the index pages that say 'Text'" There is no text file for the I-Ching on sacred-texts, if you want to download it here's the archive.org versions: https://archive.org/details/I-Ching https://archive.org/details/I-Ching Here's the James Legge translation of the Tao Tey King in one text file: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/216/pg216.txt https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/216/pg216.txt
- huytersd 3y agoIt would be great if someone could make a torrent of all of these in one go.
- _a_a_a_ 3y agoOr you could buy it, that's what the site's for IIRC.
- huytersd 3y agoI guess but it’s $127 for information I can read in its entirety for free already. I’m sure if they had a more nominal price around $10-20 they would get a lot more purchases. After all it’s really an aggregation of existing texts.
- _a_a_a_ 3y ago> I can read in its entirety for free already then why consider paying?
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- nprateem 3y agoKind of related to what I was mentioning on the Godel thread, but IMO the Kundalini (or whatever you call it) experience is the "grand unifying theory" of religion and mythology (although it's not actually a theory, but an experience). It provides an explanation for where religions may have come from, beyond our typically pompous attitude that earlier generations of people were superstitious and stupid. Instead, it suggests that the founders of religions experienced dramatic shifts in consciousness which they were trying to explain in the language of the day (and which, since their followers rarely had such experiences themselves, were subsequently misinterpreted).
- amanaplanacanal 3y agoIs that the same thing as “The mystical experience” as we know it in western writings, or “kensho” as the zen folks call it?
- nprateem 3y agoTo be honest, I haven't read into western writing too much, but kundalini certainly leads to mystical experiences. It's closer to the Holy Spirit in Christianity, an animating principle (where the Father is pure awareness). Kensho sounds more like insight gained into reality. While kundalini isn't required to have such insights, some authors say that attainment of it makes it easier to have them. Generally, in Buddhism, they don't explicity talk about kundalini, except Tibetan Buddhism, where they have the rainbow body and vajrayana. Several authors do mention it, e.g. Culadasa in The Mind Illuminated and Shinzen Young amongst others. It's also clear from the Buddha's descriptions that he'd awoken his kundalini (at least that's my belief).
- naremu 3y agoThe Perennial Philosophy (both the concept and the book) focuses on more these types of things. It brings up that even in Christianity you can easily point at the non-personified elements of the theology and find conceptual relation to geographically unrelated beliefs. One interesting bit he mentions is how dangerous it could be to be one of those people without being in some prophetic or theologically defensible position; Meister Eckhart being quoted heavily talking about the divinity of god being in all things, in a similar way as hinduism or etc might talk about divinity/all being in all things. Of course he eventually was tried as a heretic in the papal courts, as it seems the beauty of unity revealed to the sage is often the nightmare of the local conqueror.
- a-ungurianu 3y agoWonder how hard would it be to convert all the public domain texts to Standard Ebooks. I know there’s already ebooks of most of these texts, but having them all together in a standard form would be nice.
- fnorder 3y agoThis would be a cool project for a Uni Humanities Department and would lend some credibility to the finished product. Get them rolling with some basic infra; a site, wiki, bugtracker and git repo.
- mistrial9 3y agoHappy three-kings day from California
- emporas 3y agoNice collection that is. I always find old tales and stories from the past very entertaining. Their knowledge about neutrinos was not very advanced, but still... Nostradamus: "When the animal domesticated by man After great pains and leaps will come to speak"
- xrd 3y agoI was thinking this would be a fun way to get access to more monster stories. I'm bored of the usual ones. I started digging into the Shinto text, the Kojiki. This is my favorite story so far: https://archive.sacred-texts.com/shi/kj/kj153.htm https://archive.sacred-texts.com/shi/kj/kj153.htm As far as I can tell, it looks like a young prince was mad his uncle didn't get mad that the uncle's brother was killed. So the prince killed the uncle in a fit of rage. Then, another brother was similarly unconcerned, so the prince buried him up to his shins which caused eyes to pop out and then die. No monsters so far. But, about as ludicrous and disjointed as most writing from a thousand years ago. It takes a special person to twist that into a religion.
- Loughla 3y agoWhat is the metaphor of your eyes popping out when buried to your shins?
- bee_rider 3y agoIs the young prince portrayed as basically the villain or as the protagonist (he sounds like the monster)? I could see this story as a warning about getting angry on the part of others if he’s portrayed in a negative light (he did more damage to his family by being angry “for” them). Or I could see it as a story basically about upholding some social standard, if he’s portrayed in a positive light (if the story thinks the uncles deserve it). Of course the latter reading is incompatible with modern morals, but then the past is a weird place.
- salt-thrower 3y agoLove this site. I’ve been reading it periodically since high school. Glad it’s still around.
- 082349872349872 3y agoRelated: https://archive.org/details/the-context-of-scripture https://archive.org/details/the-context-of-scripture (Egyptian, Hittite, West Semitic, Akkadian, and Sumerian texts)
- smeej 3y ago> The Gospel of Thomas Reputedly the writings of the apostle ‘Doubting Thomas’. This text purports to be a collection of the sayings of Jesus. Traditionally Thomas was Jesus’ twin brother. This text shows strong Gnostic influence. I'll admit I'm not deeply familiar with most religious traditions, but I am absolutely sure none of the major ones have any "tradition" in which Jesus had a twin brother. Yes, "Thomas" means "the twin," but not because people believed he was actually Jesus' twin brother. It's hard for me to take any of the summaries seriously after that, and it's almost enough to make me wonder whether the collection would actually include accurate copies of the documents it claims to.
- eruleman 3y agoYou’re not familiar with this text or gnosticism. GPT-4: “In Gnostic texts, particularly those found in the Nag Hammadi library, Thomas is often referred to as "Didymos Judas Thomas." The name "Didymos" is Greek for "twin," and "Thomas" is Aramaic for "twin." In the Gospel of Thomas, one of the Gnostic gospels, Thomas is depicted as having a special understanding or connection to Jesus, but the text does not explicitly state that Thomas is Jesus's twin in a biological sense. Instead, the "twin" designation may be symbolic, representing a spiritual kinship or a metaphorical relationship rather than a literal familial one. Gnostic texts are known for their symbolic and allegorical language, and the exact nature of Thomas's relationship to Jesus is subject to interpretation. It's also worth noting that Gnostic beliefs were diverse, and different texts might portray the relationship differently.“
- neaden 3y agoLeaving aside GPT as a source you're saying agreeing with OP that Thomas is not traditionally understood to be Jesus' twin brother, except in perhaps a spiritual sense so the summary is wrong.
- stryan 3y agoThe summary is written in the context of the tradition the text is in, not an overall Christian/etc context.
- kouru225 3y agoI was curious if this would include books on alchemy. It does
- rgovostes 3y agoWhat ought an archive of sacred Internet texts contain, beyond IETF RFCs?
- fuzztester 3y agoSome WTF ones?
- flarg 3y agoWonder what would happen if someone trained an LLM on these texts? A whole new mega religion?
- nathanh4903 3y agosad to find that fsf and stallmanism is not included /s