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It has been called Kiev since forever, that is until the media and Western states started to call it otherwise in unison after the war started. If you don't bel

It has been called Kiev since forever, that is until the media and Western states started to call it otherwise in unison after the war started. If you don't believe me you can simply check nGrams or Google search trends comparing the two. FYI it's still called a chicken kiev. We do not call every city in the world according to their native (or native and transliterated in this case) name, why is Kiev special? >Another question if you’re to believe a Russian online, considering their massive disinformation campaigns here and there. Right because only Russians are guilty of disinformation

throwaway_54872 3y ago
The "Kiev" is the English spelling that has replaced "Kiov"/"Kiow"/"Kyow" variants at the beginning of 19th century. It's closer to Ukrainian normative spelling of the times (Кїєвъ, which transliterates to Kiev), rather than Russian (Кіѣвъ ~Kiyev). The Russian spelling changed to "Киев" (Kiev) a full century later. The whole "Kyiv not Kiev" debacle is mostly a political invention of yet another century later. One language cannot define correct spellings for other languages, especially the ones with different script.
walteweiss 3y ago
>It has been called Kiev since forever Not forever, since Russia had been actively occupying the country, which is quite a long time, almost entire 20 century. I believe it’s not the ‘Western states’ it’s when Ukrainians started to care more, especially since two years ago. The official renaming happen earlier than 2022, and there is no city of Kiev officially. It’s Kyiv. Btw for tone deaf hn-crowd it’s disrespectful to insist on calling it this way, especially given the context. Not mentioning the [flagged] and downvote bullshit, which also quite represents the hn-crowd’s side here. Not the first time I see similar topic gets banned.
- spookie 3y ago
  If the country itself (Ukraine) calls it officially as such, it should be respected. Same thing with the Netherlands/Holland debate, it isn't that difficult.
  - walteweiss 3y ago
    I wonder why wasn’t you flagged for this aggressive position? How dare you to respect others? Get the downvotes. That shows the hn very well, very well indeed.

throwaway_54872 3y ago

The "Kiev" is the English spelling that has replaced "Kiov"/"Kiow"/"Kyow" variants at the beginning of 19th century. It's closer to Ukrainian normative spelling of the times (Кїєвъ, which transliterates to Kiev), rather than Russian (Кіѣвъ ~Kiyev). The Russian spelling changed to "Киев" (Kiev) a full century later. The whole "Kyiv not Kiev" debacle is mostly a political invention of yet another century later. One language cannot define correct spellings for other languages, especially the ones with different script.

walteweiss 3y ago

>It has been called Kiev since forever Not forever, since Russia had been actively occupying the country, which is quite a long time, almost entire 20 century. I believe it’s not the ‘Western states’ it’s when Ukrainians started to care more, especially since two years ago. The official renaming happen earlier than 2022, and there is no city of Kiev officially. It’s Kyiv. Btw for tone deaf hn-crowd it’s disrespectful to insist on calling it this way, especially given the context. Not mentioning the [flagged] and downvote bullshit, which also quite represents the hn-crowd’s side here. Not the first time I see similar topic gets banned.

spookie 3y ago
If the country itself (Ukraine) calls it officially as such, it should be respected. Same thing with the Netherlands/Holland debate, it isn't that difficult.
- walteweiss 3y ago
  I wonder why wasn’t you flagged for this aggressive position? How dare you to respect others? Get the downvotes. That shows the hn very well, very well indeed.