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> I think nobody in my country would say going out to eat is better than eating at home. Home cooked meals are way better. If you: 1. Like cooking. 2. Are go

by oblio 3y ago

> I think nobody in my country would say going out to eat is better than eating at home. Home cooked meals are way better. If you: 1. Like cooking. 2. Are good at cooking.

vasco 3y ago
Enjoying it has nothing to do with it. It's better for you and better for taste even if you don't like it. I don't like brushing my teeth but I do it because it's better than not doing it and because I'm a functioning adult. I'm better at brushing than I was the first times I did it, and I'm also better at cooking than I was 20 years ago, because even if I don't enjoy it, I know I'll enjoy the flavor and the nutrition is good for me. This is basic "live your life" stuff. Imagine lecturing people about saving the planet while defending going out to eat in restaurants or ordering all your meals.
- mrfumier 3y ago
  It's probably more carbon-efficient to eat at restaurants since they are cooking in larger quantities.
  - vasco 3y ago
    You can confirm that "probably" with 5 minutes of research and find out that the largest contributors to carbon emissions in eating are the production of the raw materials (which ingredients you use). Once that is controlled for, cooking method is the largest second factor (wood / coal / gas / electric). Once that's controlled for, going out to eat in a restaurant is worse than at home. The only communal eating that is more efficient is school / soviet canteen style eating, which is not what you were thinking about when you said restaurants.
  - erinaceousjones 3y ago
    Sadly, agreed. I love the idea of being self-sufficient and permaculture, but even myself as someone who grows vegetables on an allotment and batch-cooks nearly all my meals at home, I can't ignore the idea that, just as with agriculture, it's way more efficient to prepare food at scale than it is at the individual level -- unless we all shifted to just eating the food as raw as possible. If we look at the full chains of: - Equipment distribution (production and delivery of large domestic kitchen appliances) - Energy distribution (residential delivery of electricity/gas needed to power kitchen appliances, and water) - Space required in each home for a reasonably kitted out kitchen (more space to heat in winter, more materials used in building) - Ingredients and materials distribution (including the production and packaging of intermediate food products made from raw products, since everyone's cooking with canned things, packaged things, cured meats, pastes, pasteurized things, grains, ...) The restaurants, fast-food chains and ready-meal prep companies are able to operate on economies of scale that are vastly more efficient than the individualistic, nuclear-family domestic "you must cook home-made meals for your family, friends and guests" culture. We've made eating out seem either: - Decadent (cost) - Unhealthy (take-out and fast-food) But neither of those things need to be true. The problem with scale is the storage aspect - preservatives we use to reduce spoilage etc., which arguably affect the healthiness of the food. "Just-in-time" distribution works well until it doesn't (see: COVID). But I'd argue that the individual household probably spoils more ingredients than industrial production does - that just isn't evident; everyone has their little compost heaps or things go to landfill. Old ingredients go mouldy at the backs of cupboards, just as things run out their shelf life in supermarkets. Maybe the raw-food vegans and paleo bros are on to something...
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    No problem, just charge your guests some carbon credits to offset for the meal you cooked for them. I even think there's an app there for you Dutch to easily request a transfer from friends and family.
- oblio 3y ago
  > This is basic "live your life" stuff. There are many ways to life your life and thankfully in the modern day, you can live your entire life without cooking anything involved yet getting all the necessary nutrients plus enjoying delicious food. It's just more expensive, so you need to afford it. I'm intentionally skipping all the other soapboxing in the rest of the comment.
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Levitz 3y ago
No, no no no sorry this just makes me so sad. It has nothing to do with the food, nothing at all, it has to do with intimacy and care. THIS is where I live and I invite you here, I take care of you because I care about you, THIS is food that I made for YOU, I'm sharing a part of my life, this is how I cook because I like it or because that's what my family usually eats or because I tried something new. Maybe it's because I'm. Mediterranean and it's part of the culture but the idea that you invite someone to eat and it being about the food is oh god so depressing to me. It's like gifting someone a poem and caring about how good the poem is.
- oblio 3y ago
  > Maybe it's because I'm Mediterranean and it's part of the culture. Yes, I think it's cultural. In at least parts of the Mediterranean (Italy), people say "they live to eat". If I'm having people over, it's about sharing stuff, not necessarily food. Discussions, jokes, games, activities, etc. Food is... secondary, frankly.
- erinaceousjones 3y ago
  > It has nothing to do with the food, nothing at all, it has to do with intimacy and care. Right. So the act of cooking actually doesn't have much to do with it! Arguably, you are tying the act of making food to "intimacy and care" in a way that makes it feel to me like there's this big social pressure to feed people! There are a myriad of other ways to look after your humans.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    I'm not from that culture particularly, but everyone needs to eat, and going to a nice restaurant can be a pain (e.g. transport) and be expensive as well. Having people into your home for a meal is a very good alignment of a lot of things at once; that's why cultures have been built on it.
    - oblio 3y ago
      There is a middle road :-) Order some food, it doesn't even need to be from fancy restaurants. Low-end to cheap catering and delivery services (so not Uber Eats or such). You can prepare some appetizers at home if you really want some home made food. Depending on where you order the food... people might not even realize you didn't cook it.

by oblio 3y ago

> I think nobody in my country would say going out to eat is better than eating at home. Home cooked meals are way better. If you: 1. Like cooking. 2. Are good at cooking.

vasco 3y ago

Enjoying it has nothing to do with it. It's better for you and better for taste even if you don't like it. I don't like brushing my teeth but I do it because it's better than not doing it and because I'm a functioning adult. I'm better at brushing than I was the first times I did it, and I'm also better at cooking than I was 20 years ago, because even if I don't enjoy it, I know I'll enjoy the flavor and the nutrition is good for me. This is basic "live your life" stuff. Imagine lecturing people about saving the planet while defending going out to eat in restaurants or ordering all your meals.

mrfumier 3y ago
It's probably more carbon-efficient to eat at restaurants since they are cooking in larger quantities.
- vasco 3y ago
  You can confirm that "probably" with 5 minutes of research and find out that the largest contributors to carbon emissions in eating are the production of the raw materials (which ingredients you use). Once that is controlled for, cooking method is the largest second factor (wood / coal / gas / electric). Once that's controlled for, going out to eat in a restaurant is worse than at home. The only communal eating that is more efficient is school / soviet canteen style eating, which is not what you were thinking about when you said restaurants.
- erinaceousjones 3y ago
  Sadly, agreed. I love the idea of being self-sufficient and permaculture, but even myself as someone who grows vegetables on an allotment and batch-cooks nearly all my meals at home, I can't ignore the idea that, just as with agriculture, it's way more efficient to prepare food at scale than it is at the individual level -- unless we all shifted to just eating the food as raw as possible. If we look at the full chains of: - Equipment distribution (production and delivery of large domestic kitchen appliances) - Energy distribution (residential delivery of electricity/gas needed to power kitchen appliances, and water) - Space required in each home for a reasonably kitted out kitchen (more space to heat in winter, more materials used in building) - Ingredients and materials distribution (including the production and packaging of intermediate food products made from raw products, since everyone's cooking with canned things, packaged things, cured meats, pastes, pasteurized things, grains, ...) The restaurants, fast-food chains and ready-meal prep companies are able to operate on economies of scale that are vastly more efficient than the individualistic, nuclear-family domestic "you must cook home-made meals for your family, friends and guests" culture. We've made eating out seem either: - Decadent (cost) - Unhealthy (take-out and fast-food) But neither of those things need to be true. The problem with scale is the storage aspect - preservatives we use to reduce spoilage etc., which arguably affect the healthiness of the food. "Just-in-time" distribution works well until it doesn't (see: COVID). But I'd argue that the individual household probably spoils more ingredients than industrial production does - that just isn't evident; everyone has their little compost heaps or things go to landfill. Old ingredients go mouldy at the backs of cupboards, just as things run out their shelf life in supermarkets. Maybe the raw-food vegans and paleo bros are on to something...
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  No problem, just charge your guests some carbon credits to offset for the meal you cooked for them. I even think there's an app there for you Dutch to easily request a transfer from friends and family.
oblio 3y ago
> This is basic "live your life" stuff. There are many ways to life your life and thankfully in the modern day, you can live your entire life without cooking anything involved yet getting all the necessary nutrients plus enjoying delicious food. It's just more expensive, so you need to afford it. I'm intentionally skipping all the other soapboxing in the rest of the comment.
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Levitz 3y ago

No, no no no sorry this just makes me so sad. It has nothing to do with the food, nothing at all, it has to do with intimacy and care. THIS is where I live and I invite you here, I take care of you because I care about you, THIS is food that I made for YOU, I'm sharing a part of my life, this is how I cook because I like it or because that's what my family usually eats or because I tried something new. Maybe it's because I'm. Mediterranean and it's part of the culture but the idea that you invite someone to eat and it being about the food is oh god so depressing to me. It's like gifting someone a poem and caring about how good the poem is.

oblio 3y ago
> Maybe it's because I'm Mediterranean and it's part of the culture. Yes, I think it's cultural. In at least parts of the Mediterranean (Italy), people say "they live to eat". If I'm having people over, it's about sharing stuff, not necessarily food. Discussions, jokes, games, activities, etc. Food is... secondary, frankly.
erinaceousjones 3y ago
> It has nothing to do with the food, nothing at all, it has to do with intimacy and care. Right. So the act of cooking actually doesn't have much to do with it! Arguably, you are tying the act of making food to "intimacy and care" in a way that makes it feel to me like there's this big social pressure to feed people! There are a myriad of other ways to look after your humans.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  I'm not from that culture particularly, but everyone needs to eat, and going to a nice restaurant can be a pain (e.g. transport) and be expensive as well. Having people into your home for a meal is a very good alignment of a lot of things at once; that's why cultures have been built on it.
  - oblio 3y ago
    There is a middle road :-) Order some food, it doesn't even need to be from fancy restaurants. Low-end to cheap catering and delivery services (so not Uber Eats or such). You can prepare some appetizers at home if you really want some home made food. Depending on where you order the food... people might not even realize you didn't cook it.