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What a goddamn joke. NLRB needs to be dissolved or given actual teeth to levy meaningful and impactful fines.

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
I think your average Republican congressperson would rather be buried alive than have that happen.
crooked-v 3y ago
Just open it up to private lawsuits with punitive damages attached. Lawyers will be on these kind of slam-dunk cases instantly.
- anomaly_ 3y ago
  100%. If you want behaviour changed with proper penalties, allow private enforcement of rights.
  - jwestbury 3y ago
    Or just give the government reasonable power to enforce things. GDPR, as an example, has been very effective, because the fines which can be levied for violations are genuinely impactful to businesses. The maximum fine is 4% of global annual revenue. Alphabet, for instance, could theoretically be liable for up to $11b, or around 20% of their net income. Amazon could be liable for up to $20b -- almost double their operating income (their 2022 net income was negative to begin with). As a result, GDPR is pretty well followed. As an American living in Europe, I have to use a VPN to access many of my American financial institutions, because they don't think the GDPR risk is worth it and have chosen to simply block access from Europe.
    - junofan 3y ago
      GDPR is about giving control to people by disallowing data controllers from just passing the buck to 3rd party data processors. But you can already just not work for Elon if you think he’s an asshole. What’s the compelling state interest here?
      - mrpopo 3y ago
        No, you don't have a choice, if you want to work on building rockets that actually ship (thanks to constant government backing and de facto monopoly, confirmed in recent years after the failure of Blue Origin and others to dethrone them). The compelling state interest is to keep working with ethical companies.
      - pintxo 3y ago
        You could also not use google or amazon /s In cases where mostly everyone is doing it, the only thing to choose for you is who’s going to abuse you/your data. But not the fact that it’s happening in the first place.
      - saagarjha 3y ago
        If Elon can legally violate your rights because they’re not enshrined in labor law or not enforced, so can everyone else.
taylodl 3y ago
But for SpaceX this is even more foolish - the FAA can deny their launches. NASA is further empowered to find another launch service. SpaceX is very dependent on being in the good graces of government. Thumbing your nose at them, while a very Elon Musk thing to do, simply isn't wise.
- paledot 3y ago
  I don't think the FAA or NASA, as organization policy, care what the NLRB thinks. "Government" is not in fact a single monolith with emotions and grudges.
  - taylodl 3y ago
    The FAA and NASA are under the control of Congress, which is much more monolithic than you allude to.

I think your average Republican congressperson would rather be buried alive than have that happen.

Just open it up to private lawsuits with punitive damages attached. Lawyers will be on these kind of slam-dunk cases instantly.

anomaly_ 3y ago
100%. If you want behaviour changed with proper penalties, allow private enforcement of rights.
- jwestbury 3y ago
  Or just give the government reasonable power to enforce things. GDPR, as an example, has been very effective, because the fines which can be levied for violations are genuinely impactful to businesses. The maximum fine is 4% of global annual revenue. Alphabet, for instance, could theoretically be liable for up to $11b, or around 20% of their net income. Amazon could be liable for up to $20b -- almost double their operating income (their 2022 net income was negative to begin with). As a result, GDPR is pretty well followed. As an American living in Europe, I have to use a VPN to access many of my American financial institutions, because they don't think the GDPR risk is worth it and have chosen to simply block access from Europe.
  - junofan 3y ago
    GDPR is about giving control to people by disallowing data controllers from just passing the buck to 3rd party data processors. But you can already just not work for Elon if you think he’s an asshole. What’s the compelling state interest here?
    - mrpopo 3y ago
      No, you don't have a choice, if you want to work on building rockets that actually ship (thanks to constant government backing and de facto monopoly, confirmed in recent years after the failure of Blue Origin and others to dethrone them). The compelling state interest is to keep working with ethical companies.
    - pintxo 3y ago
      You could also not use google or amazon /s In cases where mostly everyone is doing it, the only thing to choose for you is who’s going to abuse you/your data. But not the fact that it’s happening in the first place.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      If Elon can legally violate your rights because they’re not enshrined in labor law or not enforced, so can everyone else.

taylodl 3y ago

But for SpaceX this is even more foolish - the FAA can deny their launches. NASA is further empowered to find another launch service. SpaceX is very dependent on being in the good graces of government. Thumbing your nose at them, while a very Elon Musk thing to do, simply isn't wise.

paledot 3y ago
I don't think the FAA or NASA, as organization policy, care what the NLRB thinks. "Government" is not in fact a single monolith with emotions and grudges.
- taylodl 3y ago
  The FAA and NASA are under the control of Congress, which is much more monolithic than you allude to.