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> but it's kind of annoying. Why? Do the life choices of other individuals really cause you that much harm? I could see being annoyed that they're _marketed_

> but it's kind of annoying. Why? Do the life choices of other individuals really cause you that much harm? I could see being annoyed that they're _marketed_ into over sized solutions that aren't actually correct for their use case, but to just be annoyed that other people appear to enjoy prosperity as an edge case is unusual to my way of thinking. > People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. Similarly, and sorry to do this in reverse, but why do you think that is? Marketing, experience, habitual, unfairly priced? > need Anyways, personally, I'm more annoyed that corporations get to do this kind of edge case thinking. Shifting the growing of food, the use of labor, and the capital markets they sell to around in pernicious ways simply to add a few points to a publicly traded stock. Then using these profit streams to purchase selfish legislation and reduced taxes all to grease the wheels of this odd machine. Then we're all expected to accept a reduced quality experience just to paper over their decades of environmental abuse? That is madness.

mh8h 3y ago
> Why? Do the life choices of other individuals really cause you that much harm? Yes. Larger SUVs and trucks are making roads less safe for pedestrians, cyclists, and even other cars.
- wharvle 3y ago
  The term of the day for the GP is “negative externality”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
- llbeansandrice 3y ago
  EVs do not solve any of those problems and have their own negative externalities.
lukas099 3y ago
> Why? Do the life choices of other individuals really cause you that much harm? I meant more emphasis on the 'kind of' in 'kind of annoying'. Maybe 'frustrating' would have been a better word. It is frustrating when seemingly everyone around you is on a different page than you are.
- closewith 3y ago
  > It is frustrating when seemingly everyone around you is on a different page than you are. And yet its their priorities that are wrong?
  - lukas099 3y ago
    Is it really so bad to say that a lot of people should do certain things differently than they do? Like, if I said more Americans should get more exercise and eat less junk food, would that be a horrible thing for me to say?
    - closewith 3y ago
      The fact that you're equating your opinion on this to health advice shows your disdain for the perfectly reasonable opinions of others. Your thoughts on this are not the one truth in the matter. Honestly, some self-reflection may be in order here.
      - lukas099 3y ago
        > you're equating your opinion on this to health advice No I'm not, I'm using health as an example of a general principle. Anyways, as I've said up-thread, the 'kind of annoying' thing is referring to the feeling of having any unconventional opinion that is better to keep to yourself (except on HN where such things are slightly more tolerated). It's not that other people are annoying because they like other things than I do, or whatever the current straw man is.
cozzyd 3y ago
yes, a lot of environmental harm is caused by unnecessarily large vehicles (and houses, for that matter).
- closewith 3y ago
  A lot of environmental harm is caused by unnecessary living. It's kind of annoying people continue to live their lives.
lukas099 3y ago
> I could see being annoyed that they're _marketed_ into over sized solutions that aren't actually correct for their use case Yeah, it's really not the thing itself that's annoying. It's just knowing that it's an unconventional opinion and I'm not going to change anyone's minds on it and I better just keep it to myself to be polite. Not the end of the world of course, but slightly frustrating. If I were writing the post again, I'd definitely take the 'annoying' sentence out of it.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > I'd definitely take the 'annoying' sentence out of it. I think it's right to be annoyed. It's an important issue, but I'm a fan of regular people, in general, and I always try to offer a defense of them at the expense of corporation whenever possible. > It's just knowing that it's an unconventional opinion and I'm not going to change anyone's minds You're a bit of a hipster. No shame in that. My argument comes from the same place, and wasn't phrased to target you, but to withstand HN.

mh8h 3y ago

> Why? Do the life choices of other individuals really cause you that much harm? Yes. Larger SUVs and trucks are making roads less safe for pedestrians, cyclists, and even other cars.

wharvle 3y ago
The term of the day for the GP is “negative externality”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
llbeansandrice 3y ago
EVs do not solve any of those problems and have their own negative externalities.

lukas099 3y ago

> Why? Do the life choices of other individuals really cause you that much harm? I meant more emphasis on the 'kind of' in 'kind of annoying'. Maybe 'frustrating' would have been a better word. It is frustrating when seemingly everyone around you is on a different page than you are.

closewith 3y ago
> It is frustrating when seemingly everyone around you is on a different page than you are. And yet its their priorities that are wrong?
- lukas099 3y ago
  Is it really so bad to say that a lot of people should do certain things differently than they do? Like, if I said more Americans should get more exercise and eat less junk food, would that be a horrible thing for me to say?
  - closewith 3y ago
    The fact that you're equating your opinion on this to health advice shows your disdain for the perfectly reasonable opinions of others. Your thoughts on this are not the one truth in the matter. Honestly, some self-reflection may be in order here.
    - lukas099 3y ago
      > you're equating your opinion on this to health advice No I'm not, I'm using health as an example of a general principle. Anyways, as I've said up-thread, the 'kind of annoying' thing is referring to the feeling of having any unconventional opinion that is better to keep to yourself (except on HN where such things are slightly more tolerated). It's not that other people are annoying because they like other things than I do, or whatever the current straw man is.

cozzyd 3y ago

yes, a lot of environmental harm is caused by unnecessarily large vehicles (and houses, for that matter).

closewith 3y ago
A lot of environmental harm is caused by unnecessary living. It's kind of annoying people continue to live their lives.

lukas099 3y ago

> I could see being annoyed that they're _marketed_ into over sized solutions that aren't actually correct for their use case Yeah, it's really not the thing itself that's annoying. It's just knowing that it's an unconventional opinion and I'm not going to change anyone's minds on it and I better just keep it to myself to be polite. Not the end of the world of course, but slightly frustrating. If I were writing the post again, I'd definitely take the 'annoying' sentence out of it.

akira2501 3y ago
> I'd definitely take the 'annoying' sentence out of it. I think it's right to be annoyed. It's an important issue, but I'm a fan of regular people, in general, and I always try to offer a defense of them at the expense of corporation whenever possible. > It's just knowing that it's an unconventional opinion and I'm not going to change anyone's minds You're a bit of a hipster. No shame in that. My argument comes from the same place, and wasn't phrased to target you, but to withstand HN.