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Yep. I have a Diesel. My average trip length will be roughly 60km. However, 4 - 8 times a year I need to go much further. Last year a single round trip for work

Yep. I have a Diesel. My average trip length will be roughly 60km. However, 4 - 8 times a year I need to go much further. Last year a single round trip for work was roughly 2200 km. And that was through extreme rural environments. The vast majority of places I stopped to refill the vehicle did not have electric service. Average trips being serviceable doesnt help me. I dont buy a vehicle assuming it will work on average, I buy a vehicle knowing in will serve every one of my use cases.

iknowstuff 3y ago
Could you share an example of such a trip? Let's toss it into ABRP
- worthless-trash 3y ago
  Not OP, but for example. From Brisbane, Queensland to Daintree Queensland and back. I do this trip once or twice a year.
  - judge2020 3y ago
    There is a general drought of Tesla SCs in Queensland / NE Australia, so ABRP can't find a suitable route only using the SC network. Otherwise a scenario for the Lucid Air Dream Edition has it charging 6 times for a total of 4h12m (in "great" conditions, though; I can't change the car's consumption mi/wh on the desktop site): https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c34a381b-83fc-4bd5-a6d9-2dd86fffc60c https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c34a381b-83fc-4bd... - but of course this is one of the most expensive and longest range EVs available today.
    - zamfi 3y ago
      You could also do this drive in a Tesla M3LR and charging adapters, but you’d be spending a lot of time at chargers either way…
      - judge2020 3y ago
        AFAIK Australia Teslas use CCS2 - I think ABRP just doesn't handle non-NACS charging for Tesla vehicles, at least on desktop.
    - worthless-trash 3y ago
      Its good that at least one can make it.
  - iknowstuff 3y ago
    https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=f10ce8fe-c1b7-4ade-9c5e-bc564189a799 https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=f10ce8fe-c1b7-4ad... 22h of driving, of which 2h38m for rest&charging Seems totally reasonable to me
- protocolture 3y ago
  Yeah so I went Brisbane - Goondiwindi - Lake Cowal and return on my last trip. Using ABRP and a random electric it adds a lot of time to the trip, diverting me via Warwick/Tenterfield avoiding the Toowoomba - Gwindi part of the trip. there's also 9 hours 21 minutes of charging. Thats before determining whether the vehicle is suitably rugged, long stretches of road were uncovered. One of these trips we found ourselves on an unmaintained service road with deep potholes and several down trees. My next trip is likely to be Brisbane to Mt Isa, and its got a large stretch of red on ABRP.
ellisv 3y ago
> The vast majority of places I stopped to refill the vehicle did not have electric service. They didn’t have electricity?! What country are you in?! How did they power their pumps?! Ok, I’m being too hyperbolic. I assume you mean they didn’t have DC fast charging, perhaps making a trip less practical, but I’d find it hard to believe there was no electric service whatsoever. One of the great benefits for EVs is that you can plug in anywhere. > I buy a vehicle knowing in will serve every one of my use cases. Vehicles are for already specific use cases; I don’t try to drive my car into the lake. I think a vehicle that can do everything probably can’t do many things well.
- kridsdale1 3y ago
  A lot of the world is not so developed. Ewan MacGreggor did a show on AppleTV about trying to drive from Argentina to California on electric bikes with Rivian support. For most of Argentina and Chile and Bolivia there was no electricity at all, except for the occasional domestic windmill. We’re taking about 5,100 km of wild land. They had to charge the Rivians by attaching tow-cables to semi-trucks and being pulled, back and forth, to use the regenerative system. So deisel power, indirectly.
  - grecy 3y ago
    FWIW that is complete hyperbole. I drove Alaska to Argentina more than a decade before they did [1]. I tried as hard as I could to get as remote as possible and as far from civilization as possible. Only once did I need to carry a jerry can to get than the 600km my little Jeep got from its stock gas tank. Note any place with a gas pump has power (and cellular internet). I also drove right around Africa through 35 countries getting as remote as possible. Again, I had to work hard to need more than 600km of range. I also drove 18 months around Australia, including the world's most remote road, also across the Simpson. Again, aside from a few really odd cases (where no normal ice vehicle can get anyway) I was never far from power. All of those places are developing rapidly, and all have been driven by EVs more than once. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOigynaS4WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOigynaS4WY
    - 3y ago
epolanski 3y ago
You can rent a car for these cases.
- guywhocodes 3y ago
  This many trips this long, it's probably not that much cheaper to rent, add in the pain of renting and I would do the same as GP.
- perryizgr8 3y ago
  But then why would you pay more for electric car and still need to rent? It doesn't make any sense as a purchase at that point.
  - epolanski 3y ago
    Electric cars never made sense strictly from a financial point of view. They've always been much more expensive than their ICE counter parts.
- protocolture 3y ago
  Why? The vehicle is mine, I make sure its maintained properly, has correct tires, I make sure its got what I need. I have access to it even when the local rental company has only Nissan hatches. The diesel costs me maybe 15% more than the petrol for my old honda hatch. Its also more comfortable, safer (for me) and a more enjoyable ride.
wkipling 3y ago
Straya

iknowstuff 3y ago

Could you share an example of such a trip? Let's toss it into ABRP

worthless-trash 3y ago
Not OP, but for example. From Brisbane, Queensland to Daintree Queensland and back. I do this trip once or twice a year.
- judge2020 3y ago
  There is a general drought of Tesla SCs in Queensland / NE Australia, so ABRP can't find a suitable route only using the SC network. Otherwise a scenario for the Lucid Air Dream Edition has it charging 6 times for a total of 4h12m (in "great" conditions, though; I can't change the car's consumption mi/wh on the desktop site): https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c34a381b-83fc-4bd5-a6d9-2dd86fffc60c https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c34a381b-83fc-4bd... - but of course this is one of the most expensive and longest range EVs available today.
  - zamfi 3y ago
    You could also do this drive in a Tesla M3LR and charging adapters, but you’d be spending a lot of time at chargers either way…
    - judge2020 3y ago
      AFAIK Australia Teslas use CCS2 - I think ABRP just doesn't handle non-NACS charging for Tesla vehicles, at least on desktop.
  - worthless-trash 3y ago
    Its good that at least one can make it.
- iknowstuff 3y ago
  https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=f10ce8fe-c1b7-4ade-9c5e-bc564189a799 https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=f10ce8fe-c1b7-4ad... 22h of driving, of which 2h38m for rest&charging Seems totally reasonable to me
protocolture 3y ago
Yeah so I went Brisbane - Goondiwindi - Lake Cowal and return on my last trip. Using ABRP and a random electric it adds a lot of time to the trip, diverting me via Warwick/Tenterfield avoiding the Toowoomba - Gwindi part of the trip. there's also 9 hours 21 minutes of charging. Thats before determining whether the vehicle is suitably rugged, long stretches of road were uncovered. One of these trips we found ourselves on an unmaintained service road with deep potholes and several down trees. My next trip is likely to be Brisbane to Mt Isa, and its got a large stretch of red on ABRP.

ellisv 3y ago

> The vast majority of places I stopped to refill the vehicle did not have electric service. They didn’t have electricity?! What country are you in?! How did they power their pumps?! Ok, I’m being too hyperbolic. I assume you mean they didn’t have DC fast charging, perhaps making a trip less practical, but I’d find it hard to believe there was no electric service whatsoever. One of the great benefits for EVs is that you can plug in anywhere. > I buy a vehicle knowing in will serve every one of my use cases. Vehicles are for already specific use cases; I don’t try to drive my car into the lake. I think a vehicle that can do everything probably can’t do many things well.

kridsdale1 3y ago
A lot of the world is not so developed. Ewan MacGreggor did a show on AppleTV about trying to drive from Argentina to California on electric bikes with Rivian support. For most of Argentina and Chile and Bolivia there was no electricity at all, except for the occasional domestic windmill. We’re taking about 5,100 km of wild land. They had to charge the Rivians by attaching tow-cables to semi-trucks and being pulled, back and forth, to use the regenerative system. So deisel power, indirectly.
- grecy 3y ago
  FWIW that is complete hyperbole. I drove Alaska to Argentina more than a decade before they did [1]. I tried as hard as I could to get as remote as possible and as far from civilization as possible. Only once did I need to carry a jerry can to get than the 600km my little Jeep got from its stock gas tank. Note any place with a gas pump has power (and cellular internet). I also drove right around Africa through 35 countries getting as remote as possible. Again, I had to work hard to need more than 600km of range. I also drove 18 months around Australia, including the world's most remote road, also across the Simpson. Again, aside from a few really odd cases (where no normal ice vehicle can get anyway) I was never far from power. All of those places are developing rapidly, and all have been driven by EVs more than once. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOigynaS4WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOigynaS4WY
  - 3y ago

epolanski 3y ago

You can rent a car for these cases.

guywhocodes 3y ago
This many trips this long, it's probably not that much cheaper to rent, add in the pain of renting and I would do the same as GP.
perryizgr8 3y ago
But then why would you pay more for electric car and still need to rent? It doesn't make any sense as a purchase at that point.
- epolanski 3y ago
  Electric cars never made sense strictly from a financial point of view. They've always been much more expensive than their ICE counter parts.
protocolture 3y ago
Why? The vehicle is mine, I make sure its maintained properly, has correct tires, I make sure its got what I need. I have access to it even when the local rental company has only Nissan hatches. The diesel costs me maybe 15% more than the petrol for my old honda hatch. Its also more comfortable, safer (for me) and a more enjoyable ride.

wkipling 3y ago

Straya