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by pram 3y ago

Dig1t 3y ago
>You have the right to act with co-workers to address work-related issues How do Musk’s personal statements/opinions outside of work count as work-related issues? Genuinely asking, I don’t understand how these rules are enforced. Apple has locked down internal communications about non work-related topics on internal slack and email in the wake of RTO discussions. If this is grounds for a lawsuit, I think other companies are probably open to these kinds of lawsuits too.
- mingus88 3y ago
  Applying admin controls to Slack is completely different than firing employees for raising concerns For starters, firing someone introduces legitimate damage and liability for those damages if done illegally But also, firing a group of people who are organizing seems like it will run afoul of union protection laws. And to your first question, Musk’s social media tantrums have caused a lot of collateral damage for his companies. I believe the Tesla board also raised concerns that his Twitter meltdown had negatively impacted Tesla. It’s not hard to see how.
  - aaomidi 3y ago
    Also what Apple is doing isn't necessarily legal either. Just because someone else was speeding on the road and didn't get a ticket, doesn't mean you won't.
- deleted 3y ago
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- disclosureacct 3y ago
  > How do Musk’s personal statements/opinions outside of work count as work-related issues? Are the communications from an account listed as their corporate disclosure account?
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    My guess: The most senior employees (C-suite and close to it) have special responsibilities and legally much great accountability. What a CEO of a public company says on public media (including Twitter/X) has far greater legal consequences for the company and the CEO than someone a few steps below. This is pretty normal for highly developed countries. Note: Responsibilities may change in different countries depending upon if the company is private or public.
    - disclosureacct 3y ago
      Corporations with shareholders must list specific accounts as disclosure accounts; because otherwise sharing insider business related information is unfair insider advantage. When you list a social media account as a disclosure account for a business, it should then be clear that there's liability to all such communications through such account.
      - throwaway2037 3y ago
        While this is true regarding disclosures, my post was mostly about Elon Musk saying stupid things on his personal account. These have a far higher legal impact on his businesses and himself that would be for a lower ranked employee.

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by pram 3y ago

https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/concerted-activity https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em...

Dig1t 3y ago

>You have the right to act with co-workers to address work-related issues How do Musk’s personal statements/opinions outside of work count as work-related issues? Genuinely asking, I don’t understand how these rules are enforced. Apple has locked down internal communications about non work-related topics on internal slack and email in the wake of RTO discussions. If this is grounds for a lawsuit, I think other companies are probably open to these kinds of lawsuits too.

mingus88 3y ago
Applying admin controls to Slack is completely different than firing employees for raising concerns For starters, firing someone introduces legitimate damage and liability for those damages if done illegally But also, firing a group of people who are organizing seems like it will run afoul of union protection laws. And to your first question, Musk’s social media tantrums have caused a lot of collateral damage for his companies. I believe the Tesla board also raised concerns that his Twitter meltdown had negatively impacted Tesla. It’s not hard to see how.
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Also what Apple is doing isn't necessarily legal either. Just because someone else was speeding on the road and didn't get a ticket, doesn't mean you won't.
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disclosureacct 3y ago
> How do Musk’s personal statements/opinions outside of work count as work-related issues? Are the communications from an account listed as their corporate disclosure account?
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  My guess: The most senior employees (C-suite and close to it) have special responsibilities and legally much great accountability. What a CEO of a public company says on public media (including Twitter/X) has far greater legal consequences for the company and the CEO than someone a few steps below. This is pretty normal for highly developed countries. Note: Responsibilities may change in different countries depending upon if the company is private or public.
  - disclosureacct 3y ago
    Corporations with shareholders must list specific accounts as disclosure accounts; because otherwise sharing insider business related information is unfair insider advantage. When you list a social media account as a disclosure account for a business, it should then be clear that there's liability to all such communications through such account.
    - throwaway2037 3y ago
      While this is true regarding disclosures, my post was mostly about Elon Musk saying stupid things on his personal account. These have a far higher legal impact on his businesses and himself that would be for a lower ranked employee.