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> It also said a company vice president had broken the law by criticizing the letter at a meeting with employees a few days after it was circulated Weird, brea

> It also said a company vice president had broken the law by criticizing the letter at a meeting with employees a few days after it was circulated Weird, breaking the law for just criticizing a letter written by employees? The judge might overturn this on the basis of free speech.

Rebelgecko 3y ago
In the US (or at least California?) you typically have the right to discuss your working conditions, even if you're not unionized. More to the point, companies don't have the right to try and prevent these discussions from happening. Depending on how the criticism of the letter went down, it could very possibly have gone beyond what's legal.
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- the_doctah 3y ago
  Being offended by the CEO's tweets has nothing to do with working conditions. Imagine the people who fought for actual working conditions laws reading this tripe.
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    I guess we'll have to disagree. IMO it's pretty easy to see how sexual harassment is related to working conditions.
threeseed 3y ago
From all accounts it's far more than just criticising a letter. It was how they got the letter in the first place and creating an environment of coercion and fear for employees conducting legally allowed activities.
shermantanktop 3y ago
“Free speech” is used in many ways. But in the US, my understanding (IANAL) is that I can be fired for saying something, and cannot claim “free speech” as a general blanket protection. Exceptions exist if it is specifically a protected form of speech.
- LargeTomato 3y ago
  No one is claiming free speech as a defense as far as I'm aware. Free speech is entering the conversation because Elon has made it one of his personal North Stars and this case seems to make him look hypocritical. In the US workers have rights about what they can say and do in the workplace. Labor activism (agitating for a union) is protected. IANAL but reasonable criticism of the company may be protected to some degree as well.
  - shermantanktop 3y ago
    The comment I was responding to was speculating on a judge making a ruling about a free speech defense. Agree that Elon looks like a hypocrite, regardless of the legalities involved. My impression is that he is not actually principle-driven in this regard. His motivation seems to be attention and chaos, and an anything-goes forum is conducive to that.

Rebelgecko 3y ago

In the US (or at least California?) you typically have the right to discuss your working conditions, even if you're not unionized. More to the point, companies don't have the right to try and prevent these discussions from happening. Depending on how the criticism of the letter went down, it could very possibly have gone beyond what's legal.

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the_doctah 3y ago
Being offended by the CEO's tweets has nothing to do with working conditions. Imagine the people who fought for actual working conditions laws reading this tripe.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  I guess we'll have to disagree. IMO it's pretty easy to see how sexual harassment is related to working conditions.

threeseed 3y ago

From all accounts it's far more than just criticising a letter. It was how they got the letter in the first place and creating an environment of coercion and fear for employees conducting legally allowed activities.

shermantanktop 3y ago

“Free speech” is used in many ways. But in the US, my understanding (IANAL) is that I can be fired for saying something, and cannot claim “free speech” as a general blanket protection. Exceptions exist if it is specifically a protected form of speech.

LargeTomato 3y ago
No one is claiming free speech as a defense as far as I'm aware. Free speech is entering the conversation because Elon has made it one of his personal North Stars and this case seems to make him look hypocritical. In the US workers have rights about what they can say and do in the workplace. Labor activism (agitating for a union) is protected. IANAL but reasonable criticism of the company may be protected to some degree as well.
- shermantanktop 3y ago
  The comment I was responding to was speculating on a judge making a ruling about a free speech defense. Agree that Elon looks like a hypocrite, regardless of the legalities involved. My impression is that he is not actually principle-driven in this regard. His motivation seems to be attention and chaos, and an anything-goes forum is conducive to that.