3 ms·

> But ours is an undeniable better one. Is it? Honestly, global trade/capitalism has ravaged our planet - we have a fire season nearly everywhere now, ocean a

by r00fus 3y ago

> But ours is an undeniable better one. Is it? Honestly, global trade/capitalism has ravaged our planet - we have a fire season nearly everywhere now, ocean acidification/plastic gyre. The same engine that can give us global wireless broadband has polluted our planet beyond restoration. Yes, medicine and technology is arguably better for most but increasing income inequality is making everything less available to all. I would urge you to confirm your priors on whether the concept of "ongoing progress" is a state of nature, or a belief system.

Dalewyn 3y ago
Stop consuming the news so much and you'll realize the world is not anywhere as bad as the pundits would want you to believe.
- sgu999 3y ago
  I don't think that's fair, it's entirely dependant on where the person you're replying to lives. Life quality in cities is still improving, assuming one can afford it. In more rural areas, often simultaneously subject to all kinds of attacks on nature and a lack of opportunities and essential services, I'm not so convinced...
nickpp 3y ago
Never in our civilisation history have we had so much available to so many. Yes, nature and the planet are in a worse state but the humanity is in a much better one. And I am confident with time and technology we will improve them both. The engine of progress has already solved much harder problems than the current ones.
- sgu999 3y ago
  > The engine of progress has already solved much harder problems than the current ones. I suspect the harder problems you're thinking of are all technological. The current ones we are facing are social and political more than anything, so I don't share your optimism...
  - nickpp 3y ago
    Yes, there is a danger there, and it wasn't always an easy path, but anti-tech movements were always around. Call them luddites, de-growth, doomers, anti-tech, anti-nuclear greens, anti-development (or their e economic equivalent: anti-capitalists, marxists and communists) - historically they always lost to progress. Humanity is huge and diverse - if a group of people decides to stop evolving and stagnate, another will gladly steal their place.
    - sgu999 3y ago
      > historically they always lost to progress What you call "progress" is what led us here. Remains to be seen if "here" is a trap. You seem to think that everything is fine since everything will be fine, but that opinion doesn't have a consensus right now. I prefer to remain more doubtful.

by r00fus 3y ago

Dalewyn 3y ago

Stop consuming the news so much and you'll realize the world is not anywhere as bad as the pundits would want you to believe.

sgu999 3y ago
I don't think that's fair, it's entirely dependant on where the person you're replying to lives. Life quality in cities is still improving, assuming one can afford it. In more rural areas, often simultaneously subject to all kinds of attacks on nature and a lack of opportunities and essential services, I'm not so convinced...

nickpp 3y ago

Never in our civilisation history have we had so much available to so many. Yes, nature and the planet are in a worse state but the humanity is in a much better one. And I am confident with time and technology we will improve them both. The engine of progress has already solved much harder problems than the current ones.

sgu999 3y ago
> The engine of progress has already solved much harder problems than the current ones. I suspect the harder problems you're thinking of are all technological. The current ones we are facing are social and political more than anything, so I don't share your optimism...
- nickpp 3y ago
  Yes, there is a danger there, and it wasn't always an easy path, but anti-tech movements were always around. Call them luddites, de-growth, doomers, anti-tech, anti-nuclear greens, anti-development (or their e economic equivalent: anti-capitalists, marxists and communists) - historically they always lost to progress. Humanity is huge and diverse - if a group of people decides to stop evolving and stagnate, another will gladly steal their place.
  - sgu999 3y ago
    > historically they always lost to progress What you call "progress" is what led us here. Remains to be seen if "here" is a trap. You seem to think that everything is fine since everything will be fine, but that opinion doesn't have a consensus right now. I prefer to remain more doubtful.