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You don't exist in a vacuum. If people around you are connected then you are as well. You can still hear their cell phone pings. You can see that strangers gath
by paxys 3y ago
You don't exist in a vacuum. If people around you are connected then you are as well. You can still hear their cell phone pings. You can see that strangers gathering by your campfire and having conversations is happening less frequently. And "sorry I didn't have network" is no longer a convenient excuse when you are on these trips. It's never as simple as "oh just let them do their thing and you do yours" when talking about a broad cultural change.
- nickpp 3y agoI miss spending time in the evenings as a child with my grandparents at candle light, before electricity got brought to their remote village. They told us stories, we watched the flame flicker and we sang. It was a simpler, smaller world. But our modern world is an undeniable better one - they were the first to acknowledge, when they were still alive.
- lewdev 3y agoI don't get it. These things are all still possible to do. It's just the less preferred thing to do.
- nickpp 3y agoOf course. They're not around anymore though, so...
- secstate 3y agoI found out recently Switzerland doesn't use European SIM cards. Had WiFi in the rental, but as soon as we started walking around Luzern we were text message only. The experience was kind of like turning off the TV that's on all the time. Everything got quiet and I became more aware of the people I was with. I guess I can just turn my phone off, or turn data off, but so long as I have to WANT to do it, I wont. And that's maybe as human a conclusion I can draw. Candle light and wood smoke still exist, but unless we're kinda forced towards them, we'll always go towards the bright lights and warmer rooms.
- r00fus 3y ago> But ours is an undeniable better one. Is it? Honestly, global trade/capitalism has ravaged our planet - we have a fire season nearly everywhere now, ocean acidification/plastic gyre. The same engine that can give us global wireless broadband has polluted our planet beyond restoration. Yes, medicine and technology is arguably better for most but increasing income inequality is making everything less available to all. I would urge you to confirm your priors on whether the concept of "ongoing progress" is a state of nature, or a belief system.
- Dalewyn 3y agoStop consuming the news so much and you'll realize the world is not anywhere as bad as the pundits would want you to believe.
- sgu999 3y agoI don't think that's fair, it's entirely dependant on where the person you're replying to lives. Life quality in cities is still improving, assuming one can afford it. In more rural areas, often simultaneously subject to all kinds of attacks on nature and a lack of opportunities and essential services, I'm not so convinced...
- nickpp 3y agoNever in our civilisation history have we had so much available to so many. Yes, nature and the planet are in a worse state but the humanity is in a much better one. And I am confident with time and technology we will improve them both. The engine of progress has already solved much harder problems than the current ones.
- sgu999 3y ago> The engine of progress has already solved much harder problems than the current ones. I suspect the harder problems you're thinking of are all technological. The current ones we are facing are social and political more than anything, so I don't share your optimism...
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> You can still hear their cell phone pings This is valid. That said, if you're close enough to hear a cell phone ping, you've chosen proximity. You're close enough to hear a lot of other sounds. You retain the option to move away. > "sorry I didn't have network" is no longer a convenient excuse when you are on these trips To whom are you giving this excuse? Because if you were previously saying you were going somewhere without connectivity, you can still say you're going to reject connectivity.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago> If people around you are connected then you are as well. If there are other people around you at all, you're not really in the backcountry.