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I don't know. It seems to be getting worse. Entire neighborhoods now come to a standstill because hundreds of giant cars converge on a school to deliver or pick

I don't know. It seems to be getting worse. Entire neighborhoods now come to a standstill because hundreds of giant cars converge on a school to deliver or pick up one kid at a time. And this is in L.A., home to probably the least-challenging weather in the country. We have entire generations of junior-high and high-school kids who are apparently too feeble to ride their bikes, walk, or take the bus to school. Pathetic.

entropicdrifter 3y ago
You really think the kids are the ones with the agency to cause this kind of cultural shift, as opposed to changes in parenting culture?
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  Did anyone claim that?
pengaru 3y ago
> And this is in L.A., home to probably the least-challenging weather in the country. We have entire generations of junior-high and high-school kids who are apparently too feeble to ride their bikes, walk, or take the bus to school. Pathetic. Weather is a minor factor vs. the population-size/density/quality of a place like LA. Just watch some of the George Floyd protest videos from LA to get a sense of what likely really concerns LA parents. No amount of snow, sleet, wind, and sub-zero temps can hold a candle to those apocalyptic scenes.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  L.A. is a giant county masquerading as a city, spread out with many areas' density being that which is generally called "suburban." Nobody is advocating sending kids out into a riot. So that leaves... I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say probably 364.8 riot-free days a year suitable for playing or moving about outside.
  - pengaru 3y ago
    Except the highly visible destruction and violence by its residents leave a lasting impression of what the community is actually composed and capable of at any given moment. The riots just put it on display front and center. You can just stay indoors when the weather forecast is bad. There's no way to keep all the riff-raff locked inside while your kid walks home from school. In a place like LA, there's a lot of riff-raff. Just because there's no active riot doesn't mean the riff-raff is gone, they're just not all in a frenzy showing their true colors simultaneously. They continue to exist, and continue to be a potential risk, at all times.
    - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
      What "destruction and violence" are you talking about? No neighborhood I visit or have lived in is rife with "riff-raff," and kids are still mollycoddled door-to-door.
      - pengaru 3y ago
        > What "destruction and violence" are you talking about? No neighborhood I visit or have lived in is rife with "riff-raff," and kids are still mollycoddled door-to-door. Are you wilfully ignoring the actual thread of context we're discussing? I was replying to your reply to the following: > Just watch some of the George Floyd protest videos from LA to get a sense of what likely really concerns LA parents. No amount of snow, sleet, wind, and sub-zero temps can hold a candle to those apocalyptic scenes. Good night.
        ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
        That's ONE incident that was known to be incipient, and into which you would never send children. As I said, there are typically 364+ days a year of riot-free peace prevailing. The "riff-raff" in my neighborhood consists of girls' softball players, people walking their dogs, and bicyclists. Cowering at home in fear because they might explode into violence at any moment would be a pathetic way to live, but hey... that's your choice.
blahedo 3y ago
> apparently too feeble In my county the kids are not permitted to walk or bike to the school; they can only take the bus or be driven (and they have to be picked up by a parent or someone on an approved list). I assume that stops when they're of driving age but I wouldn't be shocked if the 16-year-olds are allowed to drive but not to bike....
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  Why? What rationale is given?
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entropicdrifter 3y ago

You really think the kids are the ones with the agency to cause this kind of cultural shift, as opposed to changes in parenting culture?

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
Did anyone claim that?

pengaru 3y ago

> And this is in L.A., home to probably the least-challenging weather in the country. We have entire generations of junior-high and high-school kids who are apparently too feeble to ride their bikes, walk, or take the bus to school. Pathetic. Weather is a minor factor vs. the population-size/density/quality of a place like LA. Just watch some of the George Floyd protest videos from LA to get a sense of what likely really concerns LA parents. No amount of snow, sleet, wind, and sub-zero temps can hold a candle to those apocalyptic scenes.

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
L.A. is a giant county masquerading as a city, spread out with many areas' density being that which is generally called "suburban." Nobody is advocating sending kids out into a riot. So that leaves... I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say probably 364.8 riot-free days a year suitable for playing or moving about outside.
- pengaru 3y ago
  Except the highly visible destruction and violence by its residents leave a lasting impression of what the community is actually composed and capable of at any given moment. The riots just put it on display front and center. You can just stay indoors when the weather forecast is bad. There's no way to keep all the riff-raff locked inside while your kid walks home from school. In a place like LA, there's a lot of riff-raff. Just because there's no active riot doesn't mean the riff-raff is gone, they're just not all in a frenzy showing their true colors simultaneously. They continue to exist, and continue to be a potential risk, at all times.
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    What "destruction and violence" are you talking about? No neighborhood I visit or have lived in is rife with "riff-raff," and kids are still mollycoddled door-to-door.
    - pengaru 3y ago
      > What "destruction and violence" are you talking about? No neighborhood I visit or have lived in is rife with "riff-raff," and kids are still mollycoddled door-to-door. Are you wilfully ignoring the actual thread of context we're discussing? I was replying to your reply to the following: > Just watch some of the George Floyd protest videos from LA to get a sense of what likely really concerns LA parents. No amount of snow, sleet, wind, and sub-zero temps can hold a candle to those apocalyptic scenes. Good night.
      - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
        That's ONE incident that was known to be incipient, and into which you would never send children. As I said, there are typically 364+ days a year of riot-free peace prevailing. The "riff-raff" in my neighborhood consists of girls' softball players, people walking their dogs, and bicyclists. Cowering at home in fear because they might explode into violence at any moment would be a pathetic way to live, but hey... that's your choice.

blahedo 3y ago

> apparently too feeble In my county the kids are not permitted to walk or bike to the school; they can only take the bus or be driven (and they have to be picked up by a parent or someone on an approved list). I assume that stops when they're of driving age but I wouldn't be shocked if the 16-year-olds are allowed to drive but not to bike....

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
Why? What rationale is given?
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