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So the only two clean cases available are Jewish organizations? As in, Jewish organizations want to employ people who uphold those organizations' politics rath

So the only two clean cases available are Jewish organizations? As in, Jewish organizations want to employ people who uphold those organizations' politics rather than oppose them? This is your censorship?

runarberg 3y ago
Finkelsteins crime was indeed opposing zionism. He just did it in a spectacular way which exposed a famous pro-israel as a hack, that is the only additional charge. I included it there because it is such a famous case and was easy for me to remember. The other two are the result of a quick web search of the term “fired for opposing zionism”. I remembered the news about Sander’s case after being reminded. But the other one was me discovering it for the first time. Here is another case from my search results that I just discovered now: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-and-fired-for-it-twice-inside-the-culture-of-fear-that-runs-jewish-institutional-life/ https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-an... And another, this time not an explicitly Jewish institution https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School-fires-teacher-who-posted-anti-Zionist-tweets-613754 https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School... Also notice that it should be harder to find clean examples, as institution are likely to hide their reasoning (fearing legal actions like Jessie Sander’s case). Like with Claudine Gay they trump up different charges. I don’t think it is a coincidence that all of the victims in my examples are Jewish. Zionism hurts Jews as well as it hurts Muslims. For some reason Zionists don’t feel like they have to hide their intention when they unfairly treat anti-zionist Jews.
- eli_gottlieb 3y ago
  So you've got one example of someone fired for antizionism from a non-Jewish institution and it comes with the rather uncomfortable additional context that > During that same academic year, swastikas began appearing in Fieldston halls and classrooms. In what would become a recurring theme for some Jewish families, parents told me that they were taken aback when school leadership responded to the initial appearance of the swastikas with a presentation for students that foregrounded “the ancient history of the symbol,” as one parent who saw the presentation told me.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    You asked for three examples where “opposing Zionism or what Israel is doing will get you doxxed, expelled, and blacklisted.” I have given you 4 examples of somebody being fired from their jobs for opposing Zionism and 1 example of somebody loosing their career for opposing Zionism and exposing a fraud while they were at it. Now you are asking me that these examples need to be from a non-Jewish institutions, and that actual antisemitism and hate speech cannot exist in the institution prior to the firing. I think you don’t want to believe that people—mostly Jewish people—do get doxxed, expelled, and blacklisted for opposing Zionism. The examples are there. You just don’t want to look at them. I would also like to add that many of my examples were from Zionist outlets, which also don’t want to acknowledge the reality that opposing their ideology can be very costly to some people. So off course they will find excuses by pointing out narratives which are only marginally related.
    - runarberg 3y ago
      Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910744 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910744 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910920

runarberg 3y ago

Finkelsteins crime was indeed opposing zionism. He just did it in a spectacular way which exposed a famous pro-israel as a hack, that is the only additional charge. I included it there because it is such a famous case and was easy for me to remember. The other two are the result of a quick web search of the term “fired for opposing zionism”. I remembered the news about Sander’s case after being reminded. But the other one was me discovering it for the first time. Here is another case from my search results that I just discovered now: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-and-fired-for-it-twice-inside-the-culture-of-fear-that-runs-jewish-institutional-life/ https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-an... And another, this time not an explicitly Jewish institution https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School-fires-teacher-who-posted-anti-Zionist-tweets-613754 https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School... Also notice that it should be harder to find clean examples, as institution are likely to hide their reasoning (fearing legal actions like Jessie Sander’s case). Like with Claudine Gay they trump up different charges. I don’t think it is a coincidence that all of the victims in my examples are Jewish. Zionism hurts Jews as well as it hurts Muslims. For some reason Zionists don’t feel like they have to hide their intention when they unfairly treat anti-zionist Jews.

eli_gottlieb 3y ago
So you've got one example of someone fired for antizionism from a non-Jewish institution and it comes with the rather uncomfortable additional context that > During that same academic year, swastikas began appearing in Fieldston halls and classrooms. In what would become a recurring theme for some Jewish families, parents told me that they were taken aback when school leadership responded to the initial appearance of the swastikas with a presentation for students that foregrounded “the ancient history of the symbol,” as one parent who saw the presentation told me.
- runarberg 3y ago
  You asked for three examples where “opposing Zionism or what Israel is doing will get you doxxed, expelled, and blacklisted.” I have given you 4 examples of somebody being fired from their jobs for opposing Zionism and 1 example of somebody loosing their career for opposing Zionism and exposing a fraud while they were at it. Now you are asking me that these examples need to be from a non-Jewish institutions, and that actual antisemitism and hate speech cannot exist in the institution prior to the firing. I think you don’t want to believe that people—mostly Jewish people—do get doxxed, expelled, and blacklisted for opposing Zionism. The examples are there. You just don’t want to look at them. I would also like to add that many of my examples were from Zionist outlets, which also don’t want to acknowledge the reality that opposing their ideology can be very costly to some people. So off course they will find excuses by pointing out narratives which are only marginally related.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910744 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910744 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38910920