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I still don't understand why just going to bed earlier is a difficult concept to grasp.
by dadjoker 3y ago
I still don't understand why just going to bed earlier is a difficult concept to grasp.
- herpdyderp 3y agoIt’s simple: bedtime = school_start - time_to_get_ready - 9_hours
- krunck 3y agoHave you raised a teen?
- ironmagma 3y agoFor that matter, were they not a teen?
- anthomtb 3y agoSometimes I think the stress of parenting causes folks to forget what they were really like in their youth.
- deathanatos 3y agoI'm not a parent per se, but I routinely see my own childhood self in my nibling¹. It makes me always say a silent "I'm sorry, Mom" for all the same grief I caused her when I was a child. I figure this is why parents (and moms, in particular, since historically they've been the one to rear children) are so revered: they put up with all that crap, and now we all feel guilty for it. (¹https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling)
- mstudio 3y agoThe article addresses this here: > Early school starts are not the only cause of teenage drowsiness, but they are a crucial factor—especially because natural sleep cycles make it difficult for post-puberty teenagers to fall asleep before 11 p.m.
- logifail 3y ago> natural sleep cycles make it difficult for post-puberty teenagers to fall asleep before 11 p.m (We have one post-puberty teenager and two other kids) ... our experience is that this does depend on whether you let your kids keep their phones and tablets in their bedrooms. As many adults will confirm, going to sleep sure is easier without distractions.
- kevingadd 3y agoInsomnia wasn't invented by Google and Facebook
- InitialLastName 3y agoI was a teenager before cellphones were ubiquitous; I still found plenty of ways to avoid sleeping when I found myself awake and in bed.
- fzeroracer 3y agoIt's not. Source: I was a teen once in an era without smartphones. Turns out lights out at 10pm didn't help me sleep at all, I just tossed and turned for a few hours until my body said it was time to sleep.
- seba_dos1 3y agoIt's incredible how so many people just fail so hard to consider that other people may not share their exact same experiences. Yes, you can probably distract someone into not sleeping who would be sleeping well otherwise. Most people however will struggle with sleeping at unnatural hours regardless of any distractions, and may use their phones and tablets in their bedrooms in hopes to help themselves fall asleep earlier.
- tesdinger 3y agoYou wake up when sunlight wakes you up and then get tired around 16-17 hours after that, if sunlight is gone. Distractions are a smaller factor.
- seba_dos1 3y ago[flagged]
- nightfly 3y ago> because natural sleep cycles make it difficult for post-puberty teenagers to fall asleep before 11 p.m You're fighting biology.
- tqi 3y ago11pm is a social construct (one that changes twice a year in many states at that), not biological fact.
- rcxdude 3y agosunlight and circadian rhythm and the relationship between the two are pretty well established, 'about 11pm' is simply a useful way to communicate the practical impact of that to a broad audience.
- fasterik 3y agoThe article does briefly mention bed time, though I'm not sure how scientifically supported the claim is: >Early school starts are not the only cause of teenage drowsiness, but they are a crucial factor—especially because natural sleep cycles make it difficult for post-puberty teenagers to fall asleep before 11 p.m.
- herpdyderp 3y agoHow is a sleep cycle not determined simply by when you go to bed and wake up? (Besides the sunset/sunrise schedule.)
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- seba_dos1 3y agoAssuming your question isn't sarcastic, laying in bed and struggling to fall asleep for hours doesn't tremendously help with waking up early.
- LaffertyDev 3y agoSleep Science is ongoing and very much an active area of research. Sleep can be informed by biology, diet, lighting, comfort, heat... among a vast host of other factors. Ask yourself this -- why do you get tired? ("Because I'm sleepy" -- why?) The answer is (surprisingly to most) complicated and illusive.
- com2kid 3y agoYour entire body runs on an internal clock, down to portions of your immune system that switch over to work differently at night. Laying down in bed at 9pm doesn't guarantee a person falls asleep right away. For some people, yes, their natural cycle syncs up with an ideal work/life sleep schedule, or their bodies are just better at adapting. But that isn't the case for everyone.
- herpdyderp 3y ago
- LaffertyDev 3y agoIf you genuinely want to learn, I think the popular book "Why We Sleep" covers this (and various other topics) very well. Short version: Young people sleep schedules naturally deviate and it is legitimately difficult for a large segment to "Just go to bed earlier".
- floxy 3y ago_Matthew Walker's "Why We Sleep" Is Riddled with Scientific and Factual Errors_ https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/ https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/
- LaffertyDev 3y agoThanks for the link. I read the book with the popular-science-ness of it in mind and was glad to have done so. It was produced right in the middle of the replication crisis... which isn't a particularly good look. I agree there are _a lot_ of ridiculous claims that are tenuous at best in the book. He also repeats himself a lot in a quite annoying way. I still think the book has merit as an accessible way for people to learn more about sleep.
- LaffertyDev 3y agoYou sent me down a rabbit hole on this person's blog. I found their 2022 reflections very interesting and tangentially relevant (does not dismiss the point made about Why We Sleep, I just found it interesting.) https://guzey.com/2022-lessons/ https://guzey.com/2022-lessons/
- BeefWellington 3y agoThis dissection is, on its own, full of inaccuracies. It may be true that the book is based on some weak studies but anyone can cherry pick a few individual sentences out of their context and from that write an essay about how wrong someone is (essentially the first 4 points that don't relate to a data error are summed up this way). In fact, even some of the studies that person is referencing don't agree with the theses presented. As one real basic example: The author of that blog is disingenous when they take the sentence: > the shorter your sleep, the shorter your life span Out of context from the rest of the page: https://archive.org/details/why-we-sleep/page/n9/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/why-we-sleep/page/n9/mode/2up Within context it's clear the author is speaking about specifically getting too little sleep as short sleep. In that context, shorter doesn't mean what is implied by the blog author's response (less in hours).
- Sohcahtoa82 3y agoJust because you're going to bed earlier doesn't mean you're going to sleep earlier. When I was a teen, I didn't get tired until nearly midnight. Even when I was getting up for school at 6 AM. My parents would send me to bed some time between 9 and 10, and I'd toss and turn wide awake for 2 hours. Even with sleep deprivation stacking up over the week as I was only getting 6 hours of sleep, I still couldn't get to sleep as I was simply not tired.
- letwhile 3y agoThere is no teen-gene that sets your sleep schedule in stone tho afaik. Maybe some psychological problems?
- SirMaster 3y agoBut is that the norm? Is that how it is for most people?
- Nextgrid 3y agoSample size of 1 (well I guess 2 with the parent post) but yes it was the same here.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y agoSame for me
- Sohcahtoa82 3y agoA lot of studies have shown it's common. Maybe not quite to the level I had, but teens in general have circadian rhythms that are shifted later. The problem of course is that they make high school start earlier than middle school despite the tendency to want to rise and sleep later so that high school kids can arrive home before their possible younger elementary school siblings and watch them.
- mjfl 3y agoand on the other side of this, adding an hour or two will not solve the problem if kids then stay up an additional hour or two on their apps, which will certainly happen. People are being incredibly dishonest with themselves on this issue.
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- tesdinger 3y agoSunlight
- khazhoux 3y agoSounds like something an early-riser would say.