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Commandment: Make backups. If you violate this commandment, you will eventually lose your data. Commandment: Test your backups. If you violate this commandme

Commandment: Make backups. If you violate this commandment, you will eventually lose your data. Commandment: Test your backups. If you violate this commandment, you will discover that you weren't ACTUALLY making backups.

superchink 15y ago
I think his point was that this could be a way to backup certain critical data without having to think about it… but that their history of hands-off customer service & support may prevent that type of use.
zavulon 15y ago
Yes, those are nice commandments. But most Google users aren't nearly tech savvy to follow them.
- VikingCoder 15y ago
  The existence of this new product does not make users more or less tech savvy. If a user goes from 1 copy (hard drive), to 2 copies, then it's a net gain for their backups. If a user goes from 2 copies (hard drive, some backup system), to 2 copies (hard drive, Google drive), then yes, arguably, it's a net loss for their backups, because they can simultaneously have a HD failure and get locked out of their Google account. But arguably, they could live in Joplin, MO and both of their current backups could be toast. Best to have three - hard drive, backup drive in a safety deposit box, and Google Drive if you like the convenience and access and cost, and don't mind the privacy implications. I don't mind the privacy implications. Google doing something evil with user's data would be absolute suicide for them.
  - gbog 15y ago
    The lock out thing is exaggerated. Having a Google backup is much safer than local manual backup for almost everyone.
    - VikingCoder 15y ago
      I agree completely. If you also use two-factor authentication, I daresay that you are in the 99th percentile, or higher.
  - kamaal 15y ago
    How many ordinary users even understand the term 'backup' is itself a big question! The use case is simple - When I put data on something, It must be available to me. I can't learn how to be a sysadmin or expect my father to do that just to use this service.
  - nfm 15y ago
    I don't like being pedantic, but a sync'ed copy isn't a backup. It might protect against hardware failure, but it won't help against accidental deletion or corruption. I'm not sure if GDrive has file versioning/restoration built into it or not, but there is an important distinction to be made here.
    - carey 15y ago
      https://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2409045 https://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ans... notes that old versions are saved for 30 days or 100 revisions, which does provide some protection.
kamaal 15y ago
User Commandment : Trust remote storage as a reliable source of back up in case of data loss. If you violate this commandment, you will eventually lose users trust. User Commandment : Once I sync the data, it must be available to me without any hassles on demand. The usual technical lectures to users asking them to do things instead of making 'just work' don't fly. That is why they ship TV's(with channels), Washing machines(with timers) and microwave ovens(with presets) without you having to bother too much about frequencies, volume/rotations and wave equations. The user wants a product that 'works' the way he wants.

superchink 15y ago

I think his point was that this could be a way to backup certain critical data without having to think about it… but that their history of hands-off customer service & support may prevent that type of use.

zavulon 15y ago

Yes, those are nice commandments. But most Google users aren't nearly tech savvy to follow them.

VikingCoder 15y ago
The existence of this new product does not make users more or less tech savvy. If a user goes from 1 copy (hard drive), to 2 copies, then it's a net gain for their backups. If a user goes from 2 copies (hard drive, some backup system), to 2 copies (hard drive, Google drive), then yes, arguably, it's a net loss for their backups, because they can simultaneously have a HD failure and get locked out of their Google account. But arguably, they could live in Joplin, MO and both of their current backups could be toast. Best to have three - hard drive, backup drive in a safety deposit box, and Google Drive if you like the convenience and access and cost, and don't mind the privacy implications. I don't mind the privacy implications. Google doing something evil with user's data would be absolute suicide for them.
- gbog 15y ago
  The lock out thing is exaggerated. Having a Google backup is much safer than local manual backup for almost everyone.
  - VikingCoder 15y ago
    I agree completely. If you also use two-factor authentication, I daresay that you are in the 99th percentile, or higher.
- kamaal 15y ago
  How many ordinary users even understand the term 'backup' is itself a big question! The use case is simple - When I put data on something, It must be available to me. I can't learn how to be a sysadmin or expect my father to do that just to use this service.
- nfm 15y ago
  I don't like being pedantic, but a sync'ed copy isn't a backup. It might protect against hardware failure, but it won't help against accidental deletion or corruption. I'm not sure if GDrive has file versioning/restoration built into it or not, but there is an important distinction to be made here.
  - carey 15y ago
    https://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2409045 https://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ans... notes that old versions are saved for 30 days or 100 revisions, which does provide some protection.

kamaal 15y ago

User Commandment : Trust remote storage as a reliable source of back up in case of data loss. If you violate this commandment, you will eventually lose users trust. User Commandment : Once I sync the data, it must be available to me without any hassles on demand. The usual technical lectures to users asking them to do things instead of making 'just work' don't fly. That is why they ship TV's(with channels), Washing machines(with timers) and microwave ovens(with presets) without you having to bother too much about frequencies, volume/rotations and wave equations. The user wants a product that 'works' the way he wants.