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SpaceX illegally fired workers critical of Elon Musk, US labor agency says
- throwitaway222 3y agoI dare anyone today to send a note saying their CEO is a distraction and embarrassment and see how far you get.
- bwestergard 3y agoIn the U.S. and most of Europe, you have a right to join with your coworkers criticize management decisions that impact your wages or working conditions. Criticizing a particular executive is part of that right, if there is a nexus to your conditions. That's what the regional official found in this case. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/employee-rights https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-right...
- panick21_ 3y agoThe question is if Musk actions impacted 'wages or working condition'. Their complains as far as I remember were not about either. It was about people outside of their job asking them about Musk. That clearly not about wages and to call that 'working condition' is a stretch.
- bwestergard 3y agoIt's a seemingly never-ending scandal that in the United States the remedy for infringing on workers' rights to take collective action is a notice posting ("[management] won't infringe on your rights again") or a make-whole order ("you will get back pay and reinstatement months or years after being fired in retaliation"). Firms won't change their behavior until they face stiff financial penalties, much as they would for violating the rights of investors or other property owners. The vast majority of people live through wage work; their rights shouldn't take a back seat to those of the owning classes.
- hn1986 3y agoThis should be a clear cut case of worker retaliation. I see SpaceX/Musk losing in court unless they settle.
- jncfhnb 3y agoBack pay for years of work you didn’t do is pretty great though?
- avidiax 3y agoYour employer being properly disincentivized from illegally mistreating you would be better.
- jncfhnb 3y agoThe disincentive is that they need to pay you for work you didn’t do
- Ancalagon 3y agomost people wont get backpay in similar instances because they lacked the time, money, or evidence to take their employer to court
- norwalkbear 3y agoOkay, but at what company wouldn't that get you fired?
- bwestergard 3y agoAny company following the National Labor Relations Act, which the official in this story is enforcing.
- norwalkbear 3y agoLiterally every company would be guilty then. Go send an a criticism of CEO around at your company, and tell us what happens
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- malfist 3y agoCompanies aren't kingdoms. You can be critical of your leadership. Stifling that criticism is a great way to fill your workforce with yes men/women
- norwalkbear 3y agoOkay go send an email to your CEO and tell us what happens
- fragmede 3y agoITT: Americans realizing that even they have the tiniest bit of rights under US labor laws.
- legitster 3y agoIt should be a pretty obvious that there is strong correlation between employee dissatisfaction and employee performance, so a lot of these situations can be pretty noisy he-said/she-said cases. A lot of people can be publicly critical of a CEO, and the subset of those who get fired for performance reasons can have reason to complain about it being retaliatory. But let's be real here. This is Elon Musk. There's probably an obvious paper trail. And anyone who is actually being terminated for performance at a large company should be on a PIP (performance improvement plan) long before they are terminable, so it would be obvious to all involved that it was not retaliatory.
- uberman 3y agoAre you suggesting Musk has not fired people on a whim?