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Have you been to neighborhoods that don't have parking mandated parking spots? Anything built in the 60s to 80s. Drive around for 1/2 hour trying to find a park

by adrr 3y ago

Have you been to neighborhoods that don't have parking mandated parking spots? Anything built in the 60s to 80s. Drive around for 1/2 hour trying to find a parking spot every day, pay hundreds/thousands of dollars a year in fines because you forgot to move you car on street cleaning day. Repeat if you work at place in these old neighborhoods, like Venice or West LA where all the tech companies are located. The issue isn't parking spots, the issue is that construction has had 0 efficiency gains in the last 50 year. Its cheaper to produce a car, grow food, produce computer chips, etc. Its not cheaper to build a building or a parking structure. Make it cheaper to build and it will solve house prices. And its not raw materials that make it expensive. There is no automation. We still pour concrete and frame buildings that same way we did 50 years ago.

TylerE 3y ago
It almost certainly DOES cost quite a bit less if you only include the costs that would have been, in, say, 1950 - and control for actually equivalent stuctures. Environmental cleanup? Tectonic studies? Worker safety? What are those? Does the 1950s deck even have an elevator? I bet it doesn't have a modern bank of ADA compliant ones, security cameras and lighting throughout, etc, etc, etc. How about lifespan? I'm sure we could thrown up a hunk of concrete and rebar in the middle of nowhere in area with no environmental regs real cheap, especially if only care if it stands until the check clears.
ryukafalz 3y ago
> Have you been to neighborhoods that don't have parking mandated parking spots? I have, I've lived in such a place. I walked to work, about half an hour each way. It was quite pleasant.
stetrain 3y ago
Driving and parking my car in a place that was designed in a world where not every household had 2+ cars to drive and park is annoying! To fix this we should bulldoze things and build more room for my car! I have to be able to park my car! What else could I possibly do instead?!
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  This argument will convince approximately zero people. It only works on people who already agree that we are too car reliant. The vast majority of LA will not give up their car, and circling for a spot fucking sucks so they’ll use their political power to make sure they don’t have to.

by adrr 3y ago

TylerE 3y ago

It almost certainly DOES cost quite a bit less if you only include the costs that would have been, in, say, 1950 - and control for actually equivalent stuctures. Environmental cleanup? Tectonic studies? Worker safety? What are those? Does the 1950s deck even have an elevator? I bet it doesn't have a modern bank of ADA compliant ones, security cameras and lighting throughout, etc, etc, etc. How about lifespan? I'm sure we could thrown up a hunk of concrete and rebar in the middle of nowhere in area with no environmental regs real cheap, especially if only care if it stands until the check clears.

ryukafalz 3y ago

> Have you been to neighborhoods that don't have parking mandated parking spots? I have, I've lived in such a place. I walked to work, about half an hour each way. It was quite pleasant.

stetrain 3y ago

Driving and parking my car in a place that was designed in a world where not every household had 2+ cars to drive and park is annoying! To fix this we should bulldoze things and build more room for my car! I have to be able to park my car! What else could I possibly do instead?!

HDThoreaun 3y ago
This argument will convince approximately zero people. It only works on people who already agree that we are too car reliant. The vast majority of LA will not give up their car, and circling for a spot fucking sucks so they’ll use their political power to make sure they don’t have to.