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> Everything is built and tested following the Porsche quality standards and corporate design principles. Hope it’s more reliable than their cars.

OJFord 3y ago
I would expect it to be completely independent, because it's not likely IMO that the web app team(s) have anything to do with actual cars.
supportengineer 3y ago
The last time I checked Consumer Reports, Porsche was actually on the list of reliable used cars.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  Until panels start falling off and various axles break under pressure. In Europe they wouldnt even make a recall until years after they’ve been sued in the US. In the UK ranks as the least reliable brand: https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/porsche-named-least-reliable-car-brand/ https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/porsche-named-least-reliable-... A common trend with german carmakers in recent years. Not good for Europe as a whole.
  - dubcanada 3y ago
    Do you have any details on what Warrentywise uses for their data? The data seems to suggest all of the "cheap" cars are more reliable then all of the "expensive" cars. Which is just wrong, if anything it's a spread of cheap/expensive on top and cheap/expensive on bottom. That data seems to imply there is perhaps another reason for the rankings then what is to be assumed.
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      They do include the cost to repair among other things, which means that only do they break often, they also cost a lot to fix. Cheap brands on the other hand when they do break down are either fixed by the manufacturer for free or dont break as often. German cars are infamous for the high number of defects that their manufacturers wont issue recalls for. Therefore the ranking is accurate.
      - lacksconfidence 3y ago
        It still feels a bit off. I expect an expensive car to have expensive repairs. When looking at the cost of a repair I would perhaps consider the cost as a proportion of the MSRP, or resale value, not the raw cost.
    - mikeryan 3y ago
      Warrantywise does aftermarket extended warranties in the UK. I can't say how but it seems to me that may have an influence on their data.
- eagerpace 3y ago
  cant repair modern ones diy anymore with everything requiring dealer programming. Not that it’s unique, but I understand they’re on the bleeding edge of what all parts require dealers to replace.
  - ok_dad 3y ago
    If you see what the GT3 RS can do then you’ll understand why a regular Joe can’t maintain it. They’re basically a GT3 race car with a little less downforce (it has DRS too) and (barely) street tires. Everything is made of carbon fiber and special alloys. All new sports cars are going that way, computers are an irreversible need for performance today. Not just for the engine, but for brakes, traction control, suspension control, etc.
dubcanada 3y ago
They have a better reliability rating then most other car companies according to JD Power. Not perfect, but average around 85% for the few models I checked. Perhaps the opinion is anecdotal but I have not heard nor experienced any issues myself.
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vpribish 3y ago
their cars have a very good reputation for reliability
- gumballindie 3y ago
  Yeah, among people that never owned one.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    Compared to what? A Toyota Corolla? Higher performance requires higher maintenance for any brand. In motorsport you will be frequently replacing parts as they are pushed to the limit. Compare a Porsche 911 versus Corolla on a track and see which one is actually more reliable after 20 hard laps.
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      Most people dont drive these cars on tracks. They drive them in cities and motorways, which in Europe force you to drive the same way you’d drive a Corolla. It’s not just mechanics that lack. Plastics come off and have nothing to do with track driving. The spyder or the 981 equally suffer from roofs and door panels simply ungluing. Mechanics are as bad as the Cayenne’s engine blows up just by looking at it. All in all the myth is gone, these cars are not what used to be. Well the porschea boxster and cayman were infamous for ims issues, oil leaks, and various other non essential mechanics failing. Marketing is one thing, real life is another.
      - dash2 3y ago
        > They drive them in cities and motorways, which in Europe force you to drive the same way you’d drive a Corolla. Expand, I'm interested. I mean, my thought would be, Germany is the land of the no-speed-limit autobahn, the US was 55 everywhere until recently.
        pi-e-sigma 3y ago
_yb2s 3y ago
They are pretty darn reliable cars when you consider how much performance they squeeze out of them, and how uncompromising the driving experience is. Moreover, that they can handle being driven HARD day in and day out for decades and stay reliable- something really no other car make can do. I bought an old Porsche Boxster for cheap on Craigslist and commute daily with no breakdowns for the last 3 years... it's not a Toyota- it's reliable because I spend A LOT of my free time doing preventative maintenance on it. While it requires a lot of maintenance, a cheap economy car would be toast in a few days if driven as hard as I drive this thing. Yet in stock form I could take it to the track and keep up with crazy unreliable exotic supercars that cost 30x what I paid for it.
- joshu 3y ago
  IMS bearing??
  - _yb2s 3y ago
    IMS issues are way overblown, failures are actually fairly rare, and permanently fixed by swapping out the bearing when you do the clutch, which is easy to do and doesn't cost much. Mine already had an LN Engineering retrofit kit when I got it, as do most of the used cars I've seen for sale.... but I've sometimes seen them with 200-300k miles on the original IMS as well. My main issue with the early watercooled flat 6 Porsche engines is that they are just so complex and costly to rebuild. They will easily last several hundred thousand miles of hard use, but when they do need a rebuild, doing it properly can easily cost $10k just for materials to rebuild it yourself properly.
    - joshu 3y ago
      I just thought it was a funny retort to a seeming assertion that they were extremely reliable. Although I think I only got $9k for my old Boxster, so a $10k rebuild seems a bit painful... I imagine they go for more now. I didn't love the car, unfortunately.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    That issue, while valid, has one of the highest ratios of "talked about on the forums divided by frequency of occurrence". If I had a 1997-2005 affected engine, I don't think I'd do the preventative maintenance work proactively until it came time to replace a clutch anyway.

OJFord 3y ago

I would expect it to be completely independent, because it's not likely IMO that the web app team(s) have anything to do with actual cars.

supportengineer 3y ago

The last time I checked Consumer Reports, Porsche was actually on the list of reliable used cars.

gumballindie 3y ago
Until panels start falling off and various axles break under pressure. In Europe they wouldnt even make a recall until years after they’ve been sued in the US. In the UK ranks as the least reliable brand: https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/porsche-named-least-reliable-car-brand/ https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/porsche-named-least-reliable-... A common trend with german carmakers in recent years. Not good for Europe as a whole.
- dubcanada 3y ago
  Do you have any details on what Warrentywise uses for their data? The data seems to suggest all of the "cheap" cars are more reliable then all of the "expensive" cars. Which is just wrong, if anything it's a spread of cheap/expensive on top and cheap/expensive on bottom. That data seems to imply there is perhaps another reason for the rankings then what is to be assumed.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    They do include the cost to repair among other things, which means that only do they break often, they also cost a lot to fix. Cheap brands on the other hand when they do break down are either fixed by the manufacturer for free or dont break as often. German cars are infamous for the high number of defects that their manufacturers wont issue recalls for. Therefore the ranking is accurate.
    - lacksconfidence 3y ago
      It still feels a bit off. I expect an expensive car to have expensive repairs. When looking at the cost of a repair I would perhaps consider the cost as a proportion of the MSRP, or resale value, not the raw cost.
  - mikeryan 3y ago
    Warrantywise does aftermarket extended warranties in the UK. I can't say how but it seems to me that may have an influence on their data.
eagerpace 3y ago
cant repair modern ones diy anymore with everything requiring dealer programming. Not that it’s unique, but I understand they’re on the bleeding edge of what all parts require dealers to replace.
- ok_dad 3y ago
  If you see what the GT3 RS can do then you’ll understand why a regular Joe can’t maintain it. They’re basically a GT3 race car with a little less downforce (it has DRS too) and (barely) street tires. Everything is made of carbon fiber and special alloys. All new sports cars are going that way, computers are an irreversible need for performance today. Not just for the engine, but for brakes, traction control, suspension control, etc.

dubcanada 3y ago

They have a better reliability rating then most other car companies according to JD Power. Not perfect, but average around 85% for the few models I checked. Perhaps the opinion is anecdotal but I have not heard nor experienced any issues myself.

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vpribish 3y ago

their cars have a very good reputation for reliability

gumballindie 3y ago
Yeah, among people that never owned one.
- xcv123 3y ago
  Compared to what? A Toyota Corolla? Higher performance requires higher maintenance for any brand. In motorsport you will be frequently replacing parts as they are pushed to the limit. Compare a Porsche 911 versus Corolla on a track and see which one is actually more reliable after 20 hard laps.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    Most people dont drive these cars on tracks. They drive them in cities and motorways, which in Europe force you to drive the same way you’d drive a Corolla. It’s not just mechanics that lack. Plastics come off and have nothing to do with track driving. The spyder or the 981 equally suffer from roofs and door panels simply ungluing. Mechanics are as bad as the Cayenne’s engine blows up just by looking at it. All in all the myth is gone, these cars are not what used to be. Well the porschea boxster and cayman were infamous for ims issues, oil leaks, and various other non essential mechanics failing. Marketing is one thing, real life is another.
    - dash2 3y ago
      > They drive them in cities and motorways, which in Europe force you to drive the same way you’d drive a Corolla. Expand, I'm interested. I mean, my thought would be, Germany is the land of the no-speed-limit autobahn, the US was 55 everywhere until recently.
      - pi-e-sigma 3y ago

_yb2s 3y ago

They are pretty darn reliable cars when you consider how much performance they squeeze out of them, and how uncompromising the driving experience is. Moreover, that they can handle being driven HARD day in and day out for decades and stay reliable- something really no other car make can do. I bought an old Porsche Boxster for cheap on Craigslist and commute daily with no breakdowns for the last 3 years... it's not a Toyota- it's reliable because I spend A LOT of my free time doing preventative maintenance on it. While it requires a lot of maintenance, a cheap economy car would be toast in a few days if driven as hard as I drive this thing. Yet in stock form I could take it to the track and keep up with crazy unreliable exotic supercars that cost 30x what I paid for it.

joshu 3y ago
IMS bearing??
- _yb2s 3y ago
  IMS issues are way overblown, failures are actually fairly rare, and permanently fixed by swapping out the bearing when you do the clutch, which is easy to do and doesn't cost much. Mine already had an LN Engineering retrofit kit when I got it, as do most of the used cars I've seen for sale.... but I've sometimes seen them with 200-300k miles on the original IMS as well. My main issue with the early watercooled flat 6 Porsche engines is that they are just so complex and costly to rebuild. They will easily last several hundred thousand miles of hard use, but when they do need a rebuild, doing it properly can easily cost $10k just for materials to rebuild it yourself properly.
  - joshu 3y ago
    I just thought it was a funny retort to a seeming assertion that they were extremely reliable. Although I think I only got $9k for my old Boxster, so a $10k rebuild seems a bit painful... I imagine they go for more now. I didn't love the car, unfortunately.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  That issue, while valid, has one of the highest ratios of "talked about on the forums divided by frequency of occurrence". If I had a 1997-2005 affected engine, I don't think I'd do the preventative maintenance work proactively until it came time to replace a clutch anyway.