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Ok, I understand what you are saying. Essentially, you would have liked different type of perturbations tested to get a baseline effect of how much a random per
by hervature 3y ago
Ok, I understand what you are saying. Essentially, you would have liked different type of perturbations tested to get a baseline effect of how much a random perturbation can get people to agree. They did do this in what they call Experiment 3. Their control perturbation is simply the adversarial perturbation but flipped left/right. They claim this was to preserve perturbation statistics. Still, I think baselining against a control perturbation is not the point of the study. My takeaway of the study is that they give a constructive way of influencing human perception of images.
I understand that the concern could be something like "random perturbations of cat images make every image simultaneously less cat-like and hence more like anything else". My opinion is that Experiment 4 (making an image more cat-like or truck-like) covers concerns of this nature. Even if there are two random perturbations where one makes an image cat-like and the other more truck-like, it is completely arbitrary whether you label the perturbation as cat-like or truck-like (since they are randomly generated). That means, even if you measure a difference (and even if two random perturbations have larger differences than this construction!), you cannot control the direction. This method gives you a way to control it. Personally, I don't think this study is about measuring the influence over some baseline. It's about showing that you can indeed choose the direction of influence.
- RandomLensman 3y agoI agree that in some ways they control for certain aspects, but with human behavior I am leaning towards being old school in wanting to see baselines when there is nothing "structured" to have a better idea of baselines (and potentially also learn something about human perception). In the current study I am not fully convinced all confounders are controlled enough. (There is also the issue of prompting, but asking if it were not, e.g., a vase what else is there is experimentally too broad, I fear) A broader way could be to add random noise then ask to pick the more X-like imagine and see how that correlates with the classifier probability for X.