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If you went into most restaurants or bars or similar spaces, and you started talking publicly about pro-Nazi stuff, you’d have the owner of the establishment co
by a-priori 3y ago
If you went into most restaurants or bars or similar spaces, and you started talking publicly about pro-Nazi stuff, you’d have the owner of the establishment come over and ask you to leave. I don’t see how anyone can think this is unusual or new or not expected.
- google234123 3y agoIt should be noted that for many, pro-Nazi might mean you are against immigration laws or for trump.
- a-priori 3y agoThat’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about newsletters that are explicitly pro-Nazi in nature.
- missingcolours 3y agoOne of the problems with labeling your political opponents Nazis is that no one believes you when actual Nazis show up.
- a-priori 3y agoExcept that these are “actual Nazis” who have shown up. We’re talking about publications that, in some cases, use terms like “national socialist” and “reich” in their name and/or bio.
- wormius 3y agoCurious that someone tries to sidestep an actual concrete example with some weird hypothetical to avoid actually confronting an actual issue at hand. What is up with the lack of good faith from so many in this thread (not you, the parent)? They don't want to be confronted with the breaking points of their ideology, but instead have to misdirect with some straw-man about another scenario. And like a misdirected fool, I take the bait and comment on it.
- nvm0n2 3y agoNot so. Look at my post that goes through their examples, which HN being the bastion of well moderated tolerance that it is, is now at -1 and flagged. Only one meets your description and it's suspended for ToS violations. The ones that aren't suspended are just ordinary US politics that's being described as Nazis by the left.
- BugsJustFindMe 3y ago> One of the problems with labeling your political opponents Nazis is that no one believes you when actual Nazis show up. That's certainly true, but it sure is weird when a certain political leaning causes one to minimize the fact that actual Nazis showed up, which casts a hefty shadow on this perceived boundary between "actual nazi" and "not actual nazi". At what point does one stop imagining that enablement isn't a real thing? Shrug emoji, though, I guess.
- nvm0n2 3y agoIn practice you will be able to talk about whatever you want in most restaurants or bars, because the owners aren't in the business of listening in on their customer's conversations and picking fights with them.
- a-priori 3y agoThat’s why I said “publicly”, as in you’ve called attention to yourself in some way, enough for the staff to be aware and to see that the other patrons are also generally aware of you and what you’re saying.
- nvm0n2 3y agoIf you go into a restaurant or bar and start yelling at strangers about pretty much anything you're going to be kicked out, regardless of topic. Exception: during a football match.
- a-priori 3y agoSure, but without going too deep into hypotheticals, think of a group of neo-Nazis talking in the middle of a restaurant dining room or at the bar, sufficiently loud enough to be overheard by staff and patrons.
- nvm0n2 3y agoYou would get kicked out for the same reasons as if you were a group of fanatical libertarian anarchists talking about politics sufficiently loudly to be overhead by staff and patrons. You seem to be badly missing the point here. A forum for eating is not a place for broadcasting political views. A newsletter platform is. The two aren't comparable.
- hn_acker 3y agoRestating your words: > A newsletter platform is [a place for broadcasting political views] I'm not saying that your assumption is wrong. I'm asking: 1. Why is it reasonable to make that assumption? 2. How much say does the platform owner have over the extent to which the platform is "a place for broadcasting political views"? Put another way, how much leeway should a general purpose newsletter platform have to ban certain topics/speech, including spam?