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The impact on land is not small, you need quite a lot of concrete to anchor panels supports to the ground. Also I wonder how the soil will evolve under solar p

The impact on land is not small, you need quite a lot of concrete to anchor panels supports to the ground. Also I wonder how the soil will evolve under solar panels, with less light hitting it. Probably better than when farmed, but worse than leaving it alone.

ComputerGuru 3y ago
> Also I wonder how the soil will evolve under solar panels, with less light hitting it. It depends on the native ecosystem, but not as bad as you might fear. In places with dense grasses (some prairie grasses?) or heavy forests, the topsoil doesn’t get much light. (Deforestation has encouraged the development of algal blooms and other fungal/microbial growth in streams that were previously sheltered from light, contributing to ecosystem failure and other environmental issues.)
- Fezzik 3y ago
  But in dense grasslands and heavy forests the soil benefits from the sun, in that as the grasses and trees go through their lifecycles they reintroduce nutrients to the soil in the form of falling leaves/needles and death and decomposition. Grasslands and dense forests are also teaming with life, big and small, that nurture the environment. Is there really any doubt that if we cover massive swaths of land in solar panels the soil will become useless? I have not seen more than a few firsthand, but the earth under the large solar complexes I have seen is mud or dust.
  - ComputerGuru 3y ago
    Very fair rebuttal; I concede the point!
  - epistasis 3y ago
    > Is there really any doubt that if we cover massive swaths of land in solar panels the soil will become useless? To me it is obvious that the soil under solar panels will be extremely healthy and useful, which is evidenced by the abundance of growth underneath all the solar farms in Minnesota fields. But perhaps you think the answer is the other way? Where have you seen only mud under solar panels? How did they build them such that nothing grows? And mud is far far better than current monocrop farming.
    - Fezzik 3y ago
      Oregon and Washington.
micwag 3y ago
Concrete is rarely used nowadays (at least in Germany). Usually the metal profiles are just rammed into the ground, if the ground is too loose they are screwed in and gabions are used if they just need some weight. If none of those are possible then concrete is used.
- riversflow 3y ago
  This is also the case in the US.

ComputerGuru 3y ago

> Also I wonder how the soil will evolve under solar panels, with less light hitting it. It depends on the native ecosystem, but not as bad as you might fear. In places with dense grasses (some prairie grasses?) or heavy forests, the topsoil doesn’t get much light. (Deforestation has encouraged the development of algal blooms and other fungal/microbial growth in streams that were previously sheltered from light, contributing to ecosystem failure and other environmental issues.)

Fezzik 3y ago
But in dense grasslands and heavy forests the soil benefits from the sun, in that as the grasses and trees go through their lifecycles they reintroduce nutrients to the soil in the form of falling leaves/needles and death and decomposition. Grasslands and dense forests are also teaming with life, big and small, that nurture the environment. Is there really any doubt that if we cover massive swaths of land in solar panels the soil will become useless? I have not seen more than a few firsthand, but the earth under the large solar complexes I have seen is mud or dust.
- ComputerGuru 3y ago
  Very fair rebuttal; I concede the point!
- epistasis 3y ago
  > Is there really any doubt that if we cover massive swaths of land in solar panels the soil will become useless? To me it is obvious that the soil under solar panels will be extremely healthy and useful, which is evidenced by the abundance of growth underneath all the solar farms in Minnesota fields. But perhaps you think the answer is the other way? Where have you seen only mud under solar panels? How did they build them such that nothing grows? And mud is far far better than current monocrop farming.
  - Fezzik 3y ago
    Oregon and Washington.

micwag 3y ago

Concrete is rarely used nowadays (at least in Germany). Usually the metal profiles are just rammed into the ground, if the ground is too loose they are screwed in and gabions are used if they just need some weight. If none of those are possible then concrete is used.

riversflow 3y ago
This is also the case in the US.